Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
Around 05:28 PM 1/8/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Owen DeLong said:
Noone has disputed that relays are necessary.
I am as yet unconvinced that open relays are necessary.
Thats nonsensical. Clearly, if one is going to offer outsourced services for which relays are necessary, one must operate open relays. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All right guys, enough is enough. Keep this subject off line and quite CC'ing the NANOG group. We're all adults here, and there are always going to be things that we all don't agree on. Have some respect for the rest of us, who don't give a damn about how far you argue with a mule, as long as you don't do it in our inboxes. Thank you. -Jim P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Anderson" <dean@av8.com> To: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>; <fischer@sacred.net>; <owen@dixon.delong.sj.ca.us>; <william@dso.net>; <wsimpson@greendragon.com> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
Around 05:28 PM 1/8/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Owen DeLong said:
Noone has disputed that relays are necessary.
I am as yet unconvinced that open relays are necessary.
Thats nonsensical. Clearly, if one is going to offer outsourced services for which relays are necessary, one must operate open relays.
--Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Clearly" many companies have found that 'outsourcing dialup adds a layer of necessary security to the mail server', so instead of just opening their mail servers to the world, they have found a cost of doing business that way is a slight inconvenience in the way mail is sent, either via POP-before-SMTP, or via having the user use their local dialup's SMTP server. TANSTAAFL, Dean. You want the cheap convenience of outsourced dialup, the price is that securing the mail server requires a little effort. If you don't want that hassle, then you put in your own dialups. This is not quantum physics, this is simply a cheaper solution not necessarily being an EASIER solution. You want Cheap and Easy which doesn't happen. D At 5:15 PM -0500 1/9/00, Dean Anderson wrote:
Around 05:28 PM 1/8/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Owen DeLong said:
Noone has disputed that relays are necessary.
I am as yet unconvinced that open relays are necessary.
Thats nonsensical. Clearly, if one is going to offer outsourced services for which relays are necessary, one must operate open relays.
--Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Jim Popovitch