----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
Today it has become (close to) completely useless. ...
i wish that the value of this activity were zero. instead , it's negative. see <http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html> for details. --
That's all fine and dandy until you consider the international base of these things. I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere and confiscating every powered device and every living person in the building" in China, an African country, Russia, or <insert country of choice here>. These things span continents and countries and every time you cutoff the current head, it immediately spawns another and not always in a country that cares. scott
On July 31, 2006 at 08:51 surfer@mauigateway.com (Scott Weeks) wrote:
That's all fine and dandy until you consider the international base of these things. I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere and confiscating every
... This is a common fallacy which goes back to practically day 1 of The Spam Crisis (tm). I remember being invited to a meeting at the Massachussets state house probably around 1998 and being shouted down by this reasoning for a few minutes. Believe it or not spam is not the only internationalized problem on this planet. There's drug trade, actual high-seas piracy, slave trade, phone fraud, investment fraud, and on and on. So the usual snappy response is: And look how well we do with all that! Well, yes, you can make the best the enemy of the good. But there's a logical fallacy involved in trying to extrapolate that to "so therefore we should do nothing". Pressure can be put onto countries which are either spam-friendly or, more likely, spam agnostic (it's just not on their list of priorities.) Spam crime is of only limited value to those countries, one just has to find that value and the right buttons to push.
powered device and every living person in the building" in China, an African country, Russia, or <insert country of choice here>. These things span continents and countries and every time you cutoff the current head, it immediately spawns another and not always in a country that cares.
scott
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surfer@mauigateway.com ("Scott Weeks") writes:
From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
<http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html>
... I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere ...
i apologize for writing so sloppily that you mistook my meaning in this way. i am a citizen of the US but i have always recognized that the internet is a transnational entity. nowhere and in no way did i mean to imply that all potential kickers in of doors are US LEOs. barry shein understood correctly. -- Paul Vixie
Paul Vixie wrote:
surfer@mauigateway.com ("Scott Weeks") writes:
From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
<http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html>
... I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere ...
Paul, it is people like you tell us there is still hope in the US :) There is a nuclear bunker between the shelde rivers in the netherlands. The facility used to house an XTC lab and the turkish root - and the police would not dare to kick their doors in because the guys told them they were an indpendent country and threatened to send bombs upon Amsterdam :) And there are other countries in europe were it is a military secret that they are wearing boots and they are able to kick doors in. Cheers Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@echnaton.serveftp.com http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
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