From downtown New Orleans... http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
-----snip----- Fox News is reporting that there is an operation underway to refill chillers at the Bell South building down the street to keep phone service available to much of the southeast United States. That is apparently where all the firetrucks are going to in the area, in case you were wondering. -----snip----- It is interesting to note that it is possible to bring in diesel and water to resupply BellSouth yet it is impossible to bring in water and food for the residents, not to mention a fleet of small boats that could have prevented thousands from dying trapped inside their attics. If you have a datacenter in a location that might be flooded by rivers or storm surges, do you have inflatable rafts among your emergency supplies? --Michael Dillon
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
From downtown New Orleans... http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
--snip---
If you have a datacenter in a location that might be flooded by rivers or storm surges, do you have inflatable rafts among your emergency supplies?
"do you have a disaster-recovery site off-site in a less hazardous area?" (might also be asked, eh?)
on Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 04:44:49PM +0100, Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:
From downtown New Orleans... http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/
-----snip----- Fox News is reporting that there is an operation underway to refill chillers at the Bell South building down the street to keep phone service available to much of the southeast United States. That is apparently where all the firetrucks are going to in the area, in case you were wondering. -----snip-----
It is interesting to note that it is possible to bring in diesel and water to resupply BellSouth yet it is impossible to bring in water and food for the residents, not to mention a fleet of small boats that could have prevented thousands from dying trapped inside their attics.
1) potable water is probably somewhat different from the water used in chillers or fire trucks 2) phone service is, IMHO, one helpful pre-requisite to providing emergency care and disaster relief 3) the pictures I've been seeing have been full of boats, many of them thrown up on land a few hundred feet from their berths Not saying that the utter failure of DHS as an organization isn't on evidence here. Just saying that it's one thing to feed and water a plant and quite another to feed and water a human being, let alone tens of thousands of them. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2554 w: http://hesketh.com antispam news, solutions for sendmail, exim, postfix: http://enemieslist.com/
Anybody else who noticed? A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 There was no response from H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET it is now 2005-09-02 (245) 18:57:42 Paris 2005-09-02 (245) 16:57:42 UTC En detail: ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET . ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 22682 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 14, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 3 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 86400 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. \ 2005090101 1800 900 604800 86400 Kind regards, Peter and Karin Dambier -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
why do you care? --bill On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:02:24PM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote:
Anybody else who noticed?
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101 There was no response from H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET
it is now
2005-09-02 (245) 18:57:42 Paris 2005-09-02 (245) 16:57:42 UTC
En detail:
; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET . ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 22682 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 14, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 3
;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY
;; ANSWER SECTION: . 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 86400 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. \ 2005090101 1800 900 604800 86400
Kind regards, Peter and Karin Dambier
-- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:02:24PM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote:
Anybody else who noticed? A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101
why do you care?
You mean, we can't use the root zone serial number for NTP purposes? I'm disappointed ;) --==-- Bruce.
we -can- but why? --bill On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:15:32PM +0200, Bruce Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:02:24PM +0200, Peter Dambier wrote:
Anybody else who noticed? A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090101
why do you care?
You mean, we can't use the root zone serial number for NTP purposes? I'm disappointed ;)
--==-- Bruce.
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 08:07:54AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
why do you care?
because root server status is one measure of internet infrastructure status and stability.
yes it is... and having hundreds/thousands of folks checking has its own set of issues. I note that Peter was kind enough to show that all the root servers he was able to reach - AGREED - on the serial number they were using.
why do you want to imply that caring that a root server does not respond is inappropriate?
does not respond from where? after all, one does not have to reach -all- the root servers. Getting to one is sufficent. that said, Peter has his own "root-servers" and so my question to him was why he should care about other folks root servers.
randy
Thankyou for asking. I do care for the health of the root-servers. Many say there is only one root but they forget to mention which one. All root-servers try to keep in sync somehow. Right now root-servers.net is not in sync with its zone file. If the reason should be a natural desaster of any kind then Public-Root would be obliged to offer publishing the zone file, without asking any undue questions and without making any undue statements. Everything my be discussed on a private channel. I also noticed there is a major difference between the old and the new zone file. Could this be the reason why there was no update on the servers? I tried to load the root-zone file on my personal root-server and did not live through any problems but right now my server is IPv4 only. To spare search and debug, here is the diff: (please forgive the long list) # SOA(".","2005090200","A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.","NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM.","1800","900","604800","86400"). ADD: A.DNS.BR AAAA 2001:12FF:0:0:0:0:0:10 ADD: E.DNS.JP AAAA 2001:200:0:1:0:0:0:4 ADD: C.DNS.TW AAAA 2001:238:800:1:0:0:0:1 ADD: D.DNS.JP AAAA 2001:240:0:0:0:0:0:53 ADD: F.DNS.JP AAAA 2001:2F8:0:100:0:0:0:153 ADD: DNS1.THNIC.CO.TH AAAA 2001:3C8:1209:1:0:0:0:22 ADD: NS.AMNIC.NET AAAA 2001:4D00:0:0:0:0:0:90 ADD: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG AAAA 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:13 ADD: D.EXT.NIC.FR AAAA 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:8 ADD: NS-US1.NIC.AT AAAA 2001:4F8:4:B:0:0:0:202 ADD: NS4.NIC.COOP AAAA 2001:502:100E:0:0:0:0:106 ADD: D.DNS.LU AAAA 2001:502:100E:0:0:0:0:251 ADD: NSD.NIC.UK AAAA 2001:502:100E:0:0:0:0:44 ADD: NS1.NIC.COOP AAAA 2001:502:D399:0:0:0:0:106 ADD: A.DNS.LU AAAA 2001:502:D399:0:0:0:0:251 ADD: NSA.NIC.UK AAAA 2001:502:D399:0:0:0:0:44 ADD: B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET AAAA 2001:503:231D:0:0:0:2:30 ADD: A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET AAAA 2001:503:A83E:0:0:0:2:30 ADD: F.NIC.DE AAAA 2001:608:6:0:0:0:0:5 ADD: NS-ZA.RIPE.NET AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53:0:0:193 ADD: NS-SEC.RIPE.NET AAAA 2001:610:240:0:53:0:0:4 ADD: DOMREG.NIC.CH AAAA 2001:620:0:0:0:0:0:4 ADD: MERAPI.SWITCH.CH AAAA 2001:620:0:0:0:0:0:5 ADD: NS2.UNIVIE.AC.AT AAAA 2001:628:453:4302:0:0:0:53 ADD: Z.NIC.DE AAAA 2001:628:453:4905:0:0:0:53 ADD: NS0.JA.NET AAAA 2001:630:0:8:0:0:0:14 ADD: NS0.JA.NET AAAA 2001:630:0:9:0:0:0:14 ADD: NS4.NIC.UK AAAA 2001:630:181:35:0:0:0:83 ADD: B.HOSTING.NIC.FR AAAA 2001:660:3005:1:0:0:1:2 ADD: B.NIC.FR AAAA 2001:660:3005:1:0:0:1:2 ADD: C.NIC.FR AAAA 2001:660:3006:1:0:0:1:1 ADD: NS2.DNS.PT AAAA 2001:690:A80:4001:0:0:0:100 ADD: A.NS.SE AAAA 2001:698:9:301:0:0:0:53 ADD: BRUSSELS.NS.DNS.BE AAAA 2001:6A8:3C60:0:0:0:0:BE ADD: F.NS.SE AAAA 2001:6B0:7:0:0:0:0:53 ADD: G.NS.SE AAAA 2001:6B0:8:1:0:0:0:53 ADD: DNS.NIC.IT AAAA 2001:760:4000:1F5:0:0:0:5 ADD: NSIT.GARR.NET AAAA 2001:760:FFFF:FFFF:0:0:0:CA ADD: NS3.NS.ESAT.NET AAAA 2001:7C8:2:A:0:0:0:64 ADD: NS.ATI.TN AAAA 2001:970:1:1:0:0:0:10 ADD: A.NASK.PL AAAA 2001:A10:1:1:0:0:0:44 ADD: NS6.IEDR.IE AAAA 2001:BB0:CCC3:0:0:0:0:2 ADD: D.DNS.TW AAAA 2001:C50:FFFF:1:0:0:0:230 ADD: A.DNS.TW AAAA 2001:CD8:800:0:0:0:0:8 ADD: SEC3.APNIC.NET AAAA 2001:DC0:1:0:4777:0:0:140 ADD: A.DNS.JP AAAA 2001:DC4:0:0:0:0:0:1 ADD: G.DNS.KR AAAA 2001:DC5:A:0:0:0:0:1 ADD: NS.CNC.AC.CN AAAA 2001:DC7:0:0:0:0:0:1 ADD: DNS2.CNNIC.NET.CN AAAA 2001:DC7:1000:0:0:0:0:1 ADD: E.DNS.KR AAAA 2001:DCC:5:0:0:0:0:100 Kind regards, Peter and Karin Dambier bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 08:07:54AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
why do you care?
because root server status is one measure of internet infrastructure status and stability.
yes it is... and having hundreds/thousands of folks checking has its own set of issues. I note that Peter was kind enough to show that all the root servers he was able to reach - AGREED - on the serial number they were using.
why do you want to imply that caring that a root server does not respond is inappropriate?
does not respond from where? after all, one does not have to reach -all- the root servers. Getting to one is sufficent.
that said, Peter has his own "root-servers" and so my question to him was why he should care about other folks root servers.
randy
-- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
To spare search and debug, here is the diff: (please forgive the long list)
# SOA(".","2005090200","A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.","NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM.","1800","900","604800","86400").
ADD: A.DNS.BR AAAA 2001:12FF:0:0:0:0:0:10
So are you're saying IPv6 glue records for various nameservers have been added to the root or that they have removed from there? -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net
william(at)elan.net wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
To spare search and debug, here is the diff: (please forgive the long list)
# SOA(".","2005090200","A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.","NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM.","1800","900","604800","86400").
ADD: A.DNS.BR AAAA 2001:12FF:0:0:0:0:0:10
So are you're saying IPv6 glue records for various nameservers have been added to the root or that they have removed from there?
On my diff I see only the many AAAA records added. I dont think there were many deletes I did not yet count them. I dont do it automatically. I have noticed with some versions of bind can raise issues with with loss of IPv6 connectivity. That issue could be wellknown routers with temporaryly disabled IPv6 stack, for security reasons. That issue could as well be a natural desaster. Maybe there is another issue with bind? I am using the new root.zone file on BIND 9.2.3 That machine has Linux 2.2.19 without IPv6 stack. I did not encounter any problems yet. Kind regards, Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
On 2-Sep-2005, at 15:11, Peter Dambier wrote:
ADD: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG AAAA 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:13
I don't speak for any other nameserver on this list (and I don't especially speak for this one, since I'm not part of the team at ISC that runs it). However, I'm pretty sure there has been AAAA glue for ns-ext.isc.org in the root zone for quite some time (e.g. months, if not longer). Joe
Joe Abley wrote:
On 2-Sep-2005, at 15:11, Peter Dambier wrote:
ADD: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG AAAA 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:13
I don't speak for any other nameserver on this list (and I don't especially speak for this one, since I'm not part of the team at ISC that runs it).
However, I'm pretty sure there has been AAAA glue for ns-ext.isc.org in the root zone for quite some time (e.g. months, if not longer).
Joe
# SOA(".","2005090200","A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.","NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM","1800","900","604800","86400"). 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:13 NS-EXT.ISC.ORG 2001:4F8:0:2:0:0:0:8 D.EXT.NIC.FR 2001:4F8:4:B:0:0:0:202 NS-US1.NIC.AT # SOA(".","2005090100","A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET","NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM","30M","15M","1W","1D"). 2001:4F8:0:2::13 NS-EXT.ISC.ORG 2001:4F8:0:2::8 D.EXT.NIC.FR 2001:4F8:4:B::202 NS-US1.NIC.AT Thankyou Joe, You have put my nose on it. They changed the format. Kind regards, Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
Is the named.root file on ftp.internic.net defunct now then? Because it is dated 2004 and contains no AAAA records... -roy
"Roy" == Roy Badami <roy@gnomon.org.uk> writes:
Roy> Is the named.root file on ftp.internic.net defunct now then? Roy> Because it is dated 2004 and contains no AAAA records... Though I don't see any AAAA records from any of the root servers...
Roy> Though I don't see any AAAA records from any of the root Roy> servers... Sorry, I was mistaken, ignore that comment... -roy
On Sep 2, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Roy Badami wrote:
Is the named.root file on ftp.internic.net defunct now then? Because it is dated 2004 and contains no AAAA records...
Nope. Not defunct. Apples: http://www.internic.net/zones/named.root and Oranges: http://www.internic.net/zones/root.zone -david
-roy
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"David" == David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> writes:
David> Nope. Not defunct. David> Apples: http://www.internic.net/zones/named.root and David> Oranges: http://www.internic.net/zones/root.zone Yeah, sorry, I'm being dumb. I'll go back to lurking now... -roy
Roy Badami wrote:
"David" == David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> writes:
David> Nope. Not defunct.
David> Apples: http://www.internic.net/zones/named.root and David> Oranges: http://www.internic.net/zones/root.zone
Yeah, sorry, I'm being dumb. I'll go back to lurking now...
-roy
M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 There was no response from H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET has serial number 2005090201 And I am glad they are updating again, although 2005-09-03 (246) 09:37:36 Paris 2005-09-03 (246) 07:37:36 UTC Let us see what they say in two hours Regards, Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
And I am glad they are updating again,
The root zone (.) changes infrequently enough that a delay of 24h or less should not matter at all. It's not like the zone is, for instance, COM. or CO.UK.
although 2005-09-03 (246) 09:37:36 Paris 2005-09-03 (246) 07:37:36 UTC
I don't understand your worries here. Why the paranoia? -- -- Todd Vierling <tv@duh.org> <tv@pobox.com> <todd@vierling.name>
Todd Vierling wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
And I am glad they are updating again,
The root zone (.) changes infrequently enough that a delay of 24h or less should not matter at all. It's not like the zone is, for instance, COM. or CO.UK.
although 2005-09-03 (246) 09:37:36 Paris 2005-09-03 (246) 07:37:36 UTC
I don't understand your worries here. Why the paranoia?
Because the FTPed root.zone had changes and updated the serialnumber. The root-servers did not get it for two days. -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
some of the reasons a lot of us pay so little attention to most alternative root nameserver systems are: they often don't do their homework, and they often don't pay attention to the details. diffing text files as a way to check for zone changes would be one way to commit both errors at the same time. running a so-called root name server with recursion enabled would be another. pfaa. re: peter@peter-dambier.de (Peter Dambier) writes:
Todd Vierling wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
And I am glad they are updating again,
The root zone (.) changes infrequently enough that a delay of 24h or less should not matter at all. It's not like the zone is, for instance, COM. or CO.UK.
although 2005-09-03 (246) 09:37:36 Paris 2005-09-03 (246) 07:37:36 UTC
I don't understand your worries here. Why the paranoia?
Because the FTPed root.zone had changes and updated the serialnumber. The root-servers did not get it for two days.
-- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason
-- Paul Vixie
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bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com -
Bruce Campbell -
Christopher L. Morrow -
David Ulevitch -
Joe Abley -
Michael.Dillon＠btradianz.com -
Paul Vixie -
Peter Dambier -
Randy Bush -
Roy Badami -
Steven Champeon -
Todd Vierling -
william(at)elan.net