I'm thankful that I have a sense of humor. :-) Barry is spot on -- this is one of things that I have continually bitched about. The decline of clever engineering in the Internet engineering arena is directly related to (methinks) situations wherein despicable business practices unfortunately override common engineering sense, ignorance mysteriously prevails, and there is a general apathy in doing the Right Thing (tm). - ferg ---------- "Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene@cisco.com> writes: My opinion is that lazy operational practices are the single biggest threat to the Internet. What's the point of building security and robustness into a system when people choose not to turn it on?