i've gotten a number of queries about "how do i get in?" etc. www.torix.net is, well, functioning non-optimally. there is some statistical info at: http://torix.golden.net/~torix/ and an email to torix-info@torix.net will get you in contact with the existing members. -- [ Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ Now with more and longer words for your reading enjoyment. ]