ipv6 address management - documentation
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this? -- -Aaron
My recommendation: https://github.com/netbox-community On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
-- Jason
I will second this. Netbox is very rich and we can do and manage multiple other things also in netbox. Like I am managing my complete server infra details and my service connectivity details in netbox. Kudos to the developer and the netbox community. Regards, Gaurav Kansal
On 16-Nov-2023, at 23:39, jason@biel-tech.com wrote:
My recommendation:
https://github.com/netbox-community
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com <mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com>> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
-- Jason
try racktables, it comes with additional features that you may opt not to use. On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:14 PM Jason Biel <jason@biel-tech.com> wrote:
My recommendation:
https://github.com/netbox-community
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
-- Jason
Netbox or PHPipam. Phpipam allows you to break down subnets easier IMHo. Justin Wilson j2sw@j2sw.com — https://j2sw.com (AS399332) https://blog.j2sw.com - Podcast and Blog
On Nov 16, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Jason Biel <jason@biel-tech.com> wrote:
My recommendation:
https://github.com/netbox-community
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com <mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com>> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
-- Jason
I give +1 for phpipam -----Original Message----- From: Justin Wilson (Lists) <lists@mtin.net<mailto:%22Justin%20Wilson%20%28Lists%29%22%20%3clists@mtin.net%3e>> To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:NANOG%20%3cnanog@nanog.org%3e>> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 23:38:28 -0500 Netbox or PHPipam. Phpipam allows you to break down subnets easier IMHo. Justin Wilson j2sw@j2sw.com — https://j2sw.com (AS399332) https://blog.j2sw.com - Podcast and Blog On Nov 16, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Jason Biel <jason@biel-tech.com> wrote: My recommendation: https://github.com/netbox-community On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com>> wrote: For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
* aaron1@gvtc.com (Aaron Gould) [Thu 16 Nov 2023, 19:04 CET]:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
The first three hits for "open source ipam" on a search engine are: - phpipam.net/ - spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/ - github.com/netbox-community/netbox I'd pick the last option, or possibly Nautobot. You may want to scroll through https://github.com/topics/ipam for more options. -- Niels.
I second Netbox, which has detailed IPv4/6 IPAM plus many other features: <https://demo.netbox.dev/static/docs/core-functionality/ipam/> IP Address Management - NetBox Documentation<https://demo.netbox.dev/static/docs/core-functionality/ipam/> demo.netbox.dev<https://demo.netbox.dev/static/docs/core-functionality/ipam/> [favicon.png]<https://demo.netbox.dev/static/docs/core-functionality/ipam/> -mel On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:31 AM, Jesse DuPont <jesse.dupont@celeritycorp.net> wrote: phpIPAM for the win. NIPAP is effective, if basic. I've heard of lots of people who like Netbox. On 11/16/23 11:12 AM, Niels Bakker wrote: * aaron1@gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com> (Aaron Gould) [Thu 16 Nov 2023, 19:04 CET]: For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this? The first three hits for "open source ipam" on a search engine are: - phpipam.net/ - spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/ - github.com/netbox-community/netbox I'd pick the last option, or possibly Nautobot. You may want to scroll through https://github.com/topics/ipam for more options. -- Niels.
I use my own console/terminal based stuff. Its composed of 2 main scripts called blgrep for searching and bldiff to display differences between revision/files. Backend is SVN to keep stuff in sync and allow multiple people to work on data. Works pretty well for small/medium DC/NOC. I guess it wont scale much tho. We used to have Excel files for those too years ago and it was madness. ---------- Original message ---------- From: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: ipv6 address management - documentation Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 12:02:36 -0600 For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this? -- -Aaron
Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in such a scenario? Owen
On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
One of the first things that comes to mind, is that if you were to breakout a /64 v6 subnet (a standard-issue subnet to a residential customer) in an Excel spreadsheet, the number of columns you would need is 14 digits long. You could breakout the equivalent of a /12 v4 in just one column. Understandably in the real world no one (in their right mind) would do this, this is just for comparison. Regards, Christopher H. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au@nanog.org> on behalf of Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:39 AM To: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in such a scenario? Owen
On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
Christopher, A residential customer would be getting their /56 from the providers pool via RA or DHCPv6. With a /32 aggregate, it can handle 1.6 million /56 delegations, which can cover a few regions. It all depends on the planning going into splitting up the aggregate. A rule of thumb I go by in the datacenter is, a /48 per customer per site, and further splitting it into /64s per VLAN, all of which can be plugged into a spreadsheet formula to produce a valid complete subnet. Either way, keeping track of IPAM via spreadsheet is a recipe for disaster. NetBox and Nautobot are my choices, and is worth deploying on a server or VPS, even for home labs. Ryan ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech.org@nanog.org> on behalf of Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 3:52:59 PM To: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com>; Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care when clicking links or opening attachments. One of the first things that comes to mind, is that if you were to breakout a /64 v6 subnet (a standard-issue subnet to a residential customer) in an Excel spreadsheet, the number of columns you would need is 14 digits long. You could breakout the equivalent of a /12 v4 in just one column. Understandably in the real world no one (in their right mind) would do this, this is just for comparison. Regards, Christopher H. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au@nanog.org> on behalf of Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:39 AM To: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in such a scenario? Owen
On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
I've also heard good things about Netbox. TeemIP ain't too shabby either. On 11/17/23 06:57, Ryan Hamel wrote:
Christopher,
A residential customer would be getting their /56 from the providers pool via RA or DHCPv6. With a /32 aggregate, it can handle 1.6 million /56 delegations, which can cover a few regions. It all depends on the planning going into splitting up the aggregate.
A rule of thumb I go by in the datacenter is, a /48 per customer per site, and further splitting it into /64s per VLAN, all of which can be plugged into a spreadsheet formula to produce a valid complete subnet.
Either way, keeping track of IPAM via spreadsheet is a recipe for disaster. NetBox and Nautobot are my choices, and is worth deploying on a server or VPS, even for home labs.
Ryan
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One of the first things that comes to mind, is that if you were to breakout a /64 v6 subnet (a standard-issue subnet to a residential customer) in an Excel spreadsheet, the number of columns you would need is 14 digits long. You could breakout the equivalent of a /12 v4 in just one column. Understandably in the real world no one (in their right mind) would do this, this is just for comparison.
Regards, Christopher H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au@nanog.org> on behalf of Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2023 10:39 AM *To:* Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: ipv6 address management - documentation Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in such a scenario?
Owen
On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
On Nov 16, 2023, at 21:57, Ryan Hamel <ryan@rkhtech.org> wrote:
Christopher,
A residential customer would be getting their /56 from the providers pool via RA or DHCPv6. With a /32 aggregate, it can handle 1.6 million /56 delegations, which can cover a few regions. It all depends on the planning going into splitting up the aggregate.
Or, if the provider isn’t stingy a /48 from the providers /≤32 (providers can get as many /48s as they need to support whatever number of customers receiving them, at least in the ARIN region).
A rule of thumb I go by in the datacenter is, a /48 per customer per site, and further splitting it into /64s per VLAN, all of which can be plugged into a spreadsheet formula to produce a valid complete subnet.
Either way, keeping track of IPAM via spreadsheet is a recipe for disaster. NetBox and Nautobot are my choices, and is worth deploying on a server or VPS, even for home labs.
On this, we agree. It’s just not what spreadsheets do. Owen
Ryan
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech.org@nanog.org> on behalf of Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 3:52:59 PM To: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com>; Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation
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One of the first things that comes to mind, is that if you were to breakout a /64 v6 subnet (a standard-issue subnet to a residential customer) in an Excel spreadsheet, the number of columns you would need is 14 digits long. You could breakout the equivalent of a /12 v4 in just one column. Understandably in the real world no one (in their right mind) would do this, this is just for comparison.
Regards, Christopher H. From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin.au@nanog.org> on behalf of Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:39 AM To: Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation
Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in such a scenario?
Owen
On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
Netbox for the win! You can not only use it for IPAM but for circuit inventory, designs, cross connects, rack layouts and automate from there. It serves as a true source of truth. I think you will be pleased.
On Nov 16, 2023, at 15:03, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
I used NIPAP about seven or eight years ago. It's quite customizable and easy enough to code against but not the easiest to work with, overall. It has some quirks. I think I would have chosen Netbox had it been as mature as it is now. Oliver On Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 3:41 p.m. JASON BOTHE via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Netbox for the win! You can not only use it for IPAM but for circuit inventory, designs, cross connects, rack layouts and automate from there. It serves as a true source of truth. I think you will be pleased.
On Nov 16, 2023, at 15:03, Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses. IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet. What does everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation? Are there open source tools/apps for this?
-- -Aaron
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