Any rational request or comment that any stakeholder (meaning user, network operator, etc) would like to present I will entertain and be more than happy to listen to. My duty as an AC member is to the public. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 08:32:52PM -0400, Dean Robb wrote:

At 17:14 5/14/98 -0500, you wrote:

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Right now, I haven't seen any input from ARIN members indicating this is somethign desire. I don't see raising the issue to the advisory council unless the ARIN membership desires this. (If your not an ARIN member then your opinion may not have any weight with the AC.) I think its a reasonable idea, but I'm not inclined to go against the wishes of the membership.

I must say I find your attitude....appalling.

1. How can you say you're not inclined to "go against the wishes of the membership" if you don't even ask the membership what their wishes are? I'd lay odds that no one has even thought about the issue, let alone decide if it's a weighty matter.

2. You explicitly say that unless I'm a member, my opinion may carry no weight with the AC. Does that mean that I can't have a good idea unless I first pony up $1000? How positively absurd and insulting...to the other members.

Mr. Dillon said "IANA and ARIN and RIPE and APNIC are composed of some very ordinary yet clueful Internet folks that are capable of recognizing a good idea when it is explained to them.". He did NOT add the codicil that people must have paid One Thousand Dollars for the privilege of presenting an idea to these clueful folks. I sincerely hope and trust that others don't think that only the elite few can have an idea.

3. It's too late, anyway. I'm NOT a member but have made the suggestion. Hopefully, some forward-thinking, intellegent members may see this and think it worthy of discussion.

4. Of course, you can ignore the issue and let the ARIN database deteriorate to the state that InterNIC's WhoIs is in. Shall we take a poll on how many people are happy with IT? Far better to deal with a problem while it's small and keep it from becoming large.

5. I sincerely hope other members take you to task for your attitude. If all members have your mindset, I wouldn't join even if I DID had a spare grand sitting around.

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