I work 80 hours a week not only because I'm an IP engineer*, but also because I'm a consultant and a business owner of an ISP. If there will be an Internet II, I see LOTS AND LOTS of opportunities for any person with a brain, and even some CNEs. For an Internet II to be designed, implemented, maintained, connected to R&E sites all over the country, and successfully, LOTS of consulting dollars are going to be spent. As someone who actually understands packets, headers, routing, etc. I suspect I'll be quite busy. This is good. For an Internet II to be successful, it will HAVE to be interconnected to The Internet. (That's "Internet I" in "Internet II"-Speak). These interconnects will include cool things like "settlements" and other phone-speak some of us have been fighting since 1985, or they will provide lots of unrestricted fed-funds to commercial ISPs. (can you guess which one I think's going to happen.) THIS TOO is a golden business opportunity. In short, who cares whether academia dreamed this up or not. Who cares if it will work tomorrow with 8ms coast-to-coast (Thanks, Vadim, for bringing physics into it ;) or whether or not it will be instantly perfect like the Internet is ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ the first time at sex ^H^H^H^H^H^H like Star Trek I ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H well, like something that's instantly perfect the first time, even though I can't come up with any examples. No, this is not a feel-good note. This is just my way of saying "It's been rather quiet on NANOG, and Internet II's only connection to NANOG is how we work with/interconnect/plan such a network. Not whether academicians ought to shave and get real jobs." Ehud * Ob rant: I'm tired of guys who've ``practiced'' cisco ``scripts'' and call themselves IP engineers. They ``know'' something because they've seen it before -- not because they understand it, could engineer it differently, or could do the underlying concepts under a different paradigm. I realize we can't all know everything, but I'm really tired of those who know nothing and have humongous egos.