Hey, did everybody decide: "it's a holiday, and the end of the month, nobody will notice when all the routes flap as we change router configuration"? When the backhoes had a day off? I haven't seen this much since the bad ol' days of '91 or so. Aside from the perpetual congestion problems in C&W North Royalton, I saw GoodNet Chicago flipflop between MAE East and West, and ACSI cum eSpire problems on their cross-country links into Arkansas / Mississippi / Tennessee / Texas, and sometimes even alternate tracing through AGIS. Was upwards of 70% packet loss for awhile there.... Or is this always happening, and I just got to watch because I had some time on my hands and it affected me for several hours? WSimpson@UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32