I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well? http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the-51... Sent from my Mobile Device.
Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously like the Splunk GUI? And according to the article, it sounds like it does exactly what Splunk is capable of, albeit on a grander scale than I thought possible. dgr On Jun 9, 2013 9:29 AM, "Warren Bailey" < wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the-51...
Sent from my Mobile Device.
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before.... On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan <drohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously like the Splunk GUI?
And according to the article, it sounds like it does exactly what Splunk is capable of, albeit on a grander scale than I thought possible.
dgr On Jun 9, 2013 9:29 AM, "Warren Bailey" < wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the-51...
Sent from my Mobile Device.
-- BaconZombie LOAD "*",8,1
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie <baconzombie@gmail.com> wrote:
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before....
Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously
On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan <drohan@gmail.com> wrote: like
the Splunk GUI?
And according to the article, it sounds like it does exactly what Splunk is capable of, albeit on a grander scale than I thought possible.
dgr On Jun 9, 2013 9:29 AM, "Warren Bailey" < wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the-51...
Sent from my Mobile Device.
--
BaconZombie
LOAD "*",8,1
-- Phil Fagan Denver, CO 970-480-7618
It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie <baconzombie@gmail.com> wrote:
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before....
Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously
On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan <drohan@gmail.com> wrote: like
the Splunk GUI?
And according to the article, it sounds like it does exactly what Splunk is capable of, albeit on a grander scale than I thought possible.
dgr On Jun 9, 2013 9:29 AM, "Warren Bailey" < wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the-51...
Sent from my Mobile Device.
--
BaconZombie
LOAD "*",8,1
-- Phil Fagan Denver, CO 970-480-7618
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On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com> sent:
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice?
I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer the open source route. http://logstash.net/ -- Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> http://2bithacker.net/
Logstash and Splunk are both wonderful, in my experience. What sets them apart from just a plain grep(1) is that they build an index that points keywords to to logging events (lines). What if you're looking for events related to a specific interface or LSP? Not a problem with a modest log volume, as grep can tear through text nearly as quickly as your disk can pass it up. However, once you have a ton of historical logs, or just a large volume, grep becomes way to slow as you have to retrieve tons of unrelated log messages to check if they're what you're looking for. Having an index gives you a way to search for that interface or LSP name, and get a listing of all the locations that contain log events matching what you're looking for. In the PRISM context, I highly doubt their using Splunk for any kind of analysis beyond systems and network management. It's not good at indexing non-texty-things. What if you need to search for events that were geographically proximate to one another? That takes a special kind of index. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> wrote:
On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com> sent:
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice?
I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer the open source route.
-- Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> http://2bithacker.net/
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 06:35:35PM -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
In the PRISM context, I highly doubt their using Splunk for any kind of analysis beyond systems and network management. It's not good at indexing non-texty-things. What if you need to search for events that were geographically proximate to one another? That takes a special kind of index.
PostgreSQL has PostGIS, but I doubt it's high-performance.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof@thejof.com> wrote:
In the PRISM context, I highly doubt their using Splunk for any kind of analysis beyond systems and network management. It's not good at indexing non-texty-things. What if you need to search for events that were geographically proximate to one another? That takes a special kind of index.
I was under the impression stuff like Palantir was used a bit, in this context (but I don't even have nth-hand evidence for that.) -- Noon Silk
Also checkout kibana.org for a rather splunk like experience. Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> wrote:
On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com> sent:
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice?
I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer the open source route.
-- Chip Marshall <chip@2bithacker.net> http://2bithacker.net/
-- Charles Wyble charles@knownelement.com / 818 280 7059 CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:46:27 +0100, Bacon Zombie said:
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before....
That's assuming they paid full list price. Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :)
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:30:53PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :)
Ah, yes. This: https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-June/008815.html ---rsk
On Jun 13, 2013, at 3:52, Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:30:53PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :)
Ah, yes. This:
https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-June/008815.html
And Bernie Ebbers was framed, too? The linked email above erroneously describes Nacchio's defense as DOJ's theory, which is even more ridiculous (defense to insider trading charge is trading on insider information-- ok...). As nice as it would have to have a martyr, Nacchio isn't it.
Let's see: Requires "always-on" internet connection Only available with Kinect Includes infrared sensor Manufactured by Microsoft, the first company to sign up for Prism When can I get my Xbox One?? http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/new-kinect-can-track-you-so-well-you-may- not-6C10287970 On 6/9/13 12:26 PM, "Warren Bailey" <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the- 512107983
Sent from my Mobile Device.
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot. suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iphones already out there? -Dan On Wed, 12 Jun 2013, John Lightfoot wrote:
Let's see:
Requires "always-on" internet connection
Only available with Kinect Includes infrared sensor Manufactured by Microsoft, the first company to sign up for Prism
When can I get my Xbox One??
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/new-kinect-can-track-you-so-well-you-may- not-6C10287970
On 6/9/13 12:26 PM, "Warren Bailey" <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
I suppose this system was part of the 20MM as well?
http://gizmodo.com/meet-boundless-informant-the-nsa-tool-that-watches-the- 512107983
Sent from my Mobile Device.
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goemon@anime.net wrote:
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot.
suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iphones already out there?
My iPhone lives in a holster that covers both cameras when not in use or charging. Do you throw a sheet over your gaming console when you're not using it? Would hacking (or abusing) Xbox One and using Kinect for remote surveillance create "house RATs"? :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goemon@anime.net wrote:
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert
mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot.
suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iphones already out there?
My iPhone lives in a holster that covers both cameras when not in use or charging. Do you throw a sheet over your gaming console when you're not using it?
You'd be amazed at how many hours of footage the government has of the inside of my pants pockets... :D Matt
Only victim in all of this is the poor NSA contractor who had to sift thru my browser history Sent from my iPhone On 2013-06-15, at 4:24 PM, "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goemon@anime.net wrote:
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert
mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot.
suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iphones already out there?
My iPhone lives in a holster that covers both cameras when not in use or charging. Do you throw a sheet over your gaming console when you're not using it?
You'd be amazed at how many hours of footage the government has of the inside of my pants pockets...
:D
Matt
...yes indeed given smella-vision ;-) ./Randy --- On Sat, 6/15/13, Mark Gauvin <MGauvin@dryden.ca> wrote:
From: Mark Gauvin <MGauvin@dryden.ca> Subject: Re: Prism continued To: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:28 PM Only victim in all of this is the poor NSA contractor who had to sift thru my browser history
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-06-15, at 4:24 PM, "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 goemon@anime.net wrote:
cellphones with cameras are probably better for the purposes of covert
mass surveillance, especially ones with front facing cameras. far more of them out there, and wireless to boot.
suprised everyone gets their panties in a bunch over presumed games console monitoring, what about all your iphones already out there?
My iPhone lives in a holster that covers both cameras when not in use or charging. Do you throw a sheet over your gaming console when you're not using it?
You'd be amazed at how many hours of footage the government has of the inside of my pants pockets...
:D
Matt
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