From: Curtis Villamizar <curtis@ans.net> If we hold BBN to the same standards that the telco industry uses to come up with 99.999%, BBN was up but "a few customers" experienced a localized outage. This would be brushed off the same as the Illinious AT&T fire at the POP that took out much of the Chicago suburbs for about a week. It doesn't count against the 99.999%. (Otherwise AT&T owes Chicago a couple thousand years of flawless service:).
I remember my complaint on the IETF list some years back, when NSFnet/ANS would routinely tout high availability, by eliminating any link outages from their report, as they were not under its control ... or route flaps greater than 5 minutes, for unknown reasons. ;-) WSimpson@UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32 BSimpson@MorningStar.com Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2
In message <2131.wsimpson@greendragon.com>, "William Allen Simpson" writes:
From: Curtis Villamizar <curtis@ans.net> If we hold BBN to the same standards that the telco industry uses to come up with 99.999%, BBN was up but "a few customers" experienced a localized outage. This would be brushed off the same as the Illinious AT&T fire at the POP that took out much of the Chicago suburbs for about a week. It doesn't count against the 99.999%. (Otherwise AT&T owes Chicago a couple thousand years of flawless service:).
I remember my complaint on the IETF list some years back, when NSFnet/ANS would routinely tout high availability, by eliminating any link outages from their report, as they were not under its control ... or route flaps greater than 5 minutes, for unknown reasons. ;-)
WSimpson@UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32 BSimpson@MorningStar.com Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2
Bill, The routing stability reports were not a measure of availability. They were published in the IMR (Internet Monthly Report, for those that don't remember) and it was clearly labelled. The section title was "Routing Stability Measured on the T3 Network". The very first paragraph was: Internal routing stability measurements are made by monitoring short term disconnect times (disconnects of five minutes duration or less). This is intended as a measure of overall system stability rather than complete connectivity. This was started as a means to guage how well the routing software worked, since IGP links should not go up and down a lot and IBGP connections should never be lost unless the router dies or becomes isolated. It served that purpose very well. The only incident I know of where data was removed, a commercial T1 customer with only one connection had a very intermittent circuit and wanted it kept up while Ameritec tried to figure it out. The problem was in Ameritec equipment and took 2 weeks and escallation to VP level before Ameritec solved the problem. The fact that data was removed was noted in the IMR report. Curtis
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