RE: ARIN Policy on IP-based Web Hosting
From: Steve Sobol [mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:43 PM
It seems to me that there's been a lot of discussion about IPv6, to the point that the authors of some operating systems[0] have claimed to actually have working code that implements it. However, I haven't seen much talk about actually deploying it[1].
[0] OK, one. I recall seeing somewhere that Linux's TCP/IP code supports it.
it does, in the more recent kernels. It even has the v6-v4 tunnel code.
[1] Truthfully, I don't spend my time with my nose buried in technical journals, and I don't keep up as much with the infrastructure side of things as I'd like to (and probably should), but I would think that this would be big news if it had actually happened.
You might want to know that Mickeysoft also has an IPv6 stack for Windoze. The real issue is getting all those routers and switches deployed. We can then turn up the clients and servers as needed.
"Roeland M.J. Meyer" wrote:
The real issue is getting all those routers and switches deployed. We can then turn up the clients and servers as needed.
The need for v6, at least for me, is in the deployment of mass quantities of end nodes. That I can nearly support today with existing infrastructure. I see little compelling need to upgrade my existing routers to v6 now; I do see a need for 4000 wireless end nodes at each of our sites - those could be serviced with a few app servers in the home office that knew v6 and v4-v6 tunnels [yes, technically these would be "routers"] at the remote sites. At six to eight weeks for each router software release for the bug scrub and six months to roll out said code, we only have time to do it twice a year. Adding a new protocol would be formiddable unless tunelling were used to virtualize the infrastructure. -Nathan Lane
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:52:49PM -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
[0] OK, one. I recall seeing somewhere that Linux's TCP/IP code supports it.
it does, in the more recent kernels. It even has the v6-v4 tunnel code.
<shameless-selfpromotion> FreeBSD now ships (and can even install over) IPv6 by default. It also contains all the necessary tools and tidbits to to v6-v4 tunnels and route v6, and IPsec and such. I'm 99% sure NetBSD and OpenBSD can do the same (modulo install, I think). </shameless-selfpromotion>
The real issue is getting all those routers and switches deployed. We can then turn up the clients and servers as needed.
Agreed. The machines are ready, the infrastructure isn't. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect, BOFH / Chimes, Inc. billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org
Okay, if one is to assume the new ARIN policy is defacto, and consider that the policy is in part to keep people from justifying more space than they need, what is to keep nefarious parties from: www1.some_site.com www2.some_site.com www3.some_site.com www4.some_site.com www5.some_site.com Each with a unique IP. How would ARIN know and should it CARE whether those are 5 obsolete 386 servers that are load balanced or one guy faking his allocation? What are they going to want to verify discrete machines, MAC addresses? If a requestor has many customers like that, are they going to make decisions about how much redundancy one can offer their customers? Or that they should implement entire websites on a single server instead of two or three? Maybe I am looking into this too seriously. One could always create 10000 /30's and put a server at the end of them and call them customer PTP connections. Deepak Jain AiNET
"Roeland M.J. Meyer" wrote:
You might want to know that Mickeysoft also has an IPv6 stack for Windoze.
It's been my understanding that Win2K includes this stack as part of the base distribution. Hopefully, Windows "ME" (the gaming version of windows, intended to replace Win98) will also include it. IMO, this is the first necessary step to V6 deployment. First get it on the end workstations. Then, and only then, will it be possible to even try and argue deployment to an ISP. I don't think any major ISP will adopt V6 before a lot of their customers (at least) have the capacity to use it. I'm not saying that V6 on clients will open the floodgates, where everybody starts deploying it, but I do think that this is a necessary precondition. -- David
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