Jon was very kind to me when I was a wet-behind-the-ears network engineer. He once showed me around ISI and gave me an entire shelf of down-version Cisco manuals. I had a Cisco 2500 peering with ISI in a maintenance closet in the ISI parking structure. A single T1 let me run a few dozen Livingston modems for my nascent Jet.net ISP. -mel On Oct 16, 2023, at 2:44 PM, Collider <large.hadron.collider@gmx.com> wrote:  is it candle time? Le 16 octobre 2023 21:13:50 UTC, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> a écrit : 25 years ago, jon postel died. we stand on the shoulders of jon and others, a number of whom died in october. not a cheering month for old timers. randy -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

I wonder if he knew it would have become what it is today.

one of my favorite postel quotes It's perfectly appropriate to be upset. I thought of it in a slightly different way--like a space that we were exploring and, in the early days, we figured out this consistent path through the space: IP, TCP, and so on. What's been happening over the last few years is that the IETF is filling the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any better. Every possible alternative is now being written down. And it's not useful. think of the folk making careers complicating dns, rpki, bgp, ... randy