-----Original Message----- From: Dorn Hetzel [mailto:dhetzel@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: thoughts?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
Wow. A news story about the depletion of IP addresses? Shocking, since this is the first I've personally heard about this. I can't believe that this has never once even been brought up on NANOG, cisco-nsp, juniper-nsp, ARIN PPML, ARIN Discuss, or any other telecommunications list to which most of us subscribe. In other news, I understand that the Americans have won their independence from England? Did anyone else know this? -evt * Sorry for the snarkiness, it's just that posts like this ignite flame wars between those unwilling to spend the trivial cost for IPv6 addresses and those who are pushing for IPv6. Instead, it's obviously more cost-effective to spend *hours* reading and writing multiple arguments against IPv6 than it is to just implement it.
On 5/27/2010 06:40, Eric Van Tol wrote:
In other news, I understand that the Americans have won their independence ..... Have we? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
Not any different then when Bob Metcalf predicted the Internet would melt down in the late 1990's and looked like a fool when it never happened! Even though I don't disagree IP4 address are rapidly getting used up, most of us on this list have the "know how" and tenacity to work through current and future problems. I think a lot of people like to claim the sky is falling sooner rather then later. On 05/27/2010 07:10 AM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
I like the personal title: "Daniel Karrenberg, IP address expert" ________________________________________ From: Dorn Hetzel [dhetzel@gmail.com] Sent: 27 May 2010 12:10 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: thoughts? http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
On 27 May 2010 12:10, Dorn Hetzel <dhetzel@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
Disgraceful scaremongery, CCN should be ashamed. -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.
On 5/27/2010 07:07, James Bensley wrote:
Disgraceful scaremongery, CCN should be ashamed.
CNN too. Does anybody take them seriously? Watch them? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:07 AM, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27 May 2010 12:10, Dorn Hetzel <dhetzel@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
Disgraceful scaremongery, CCN should be ashamed.
Why should CNN be ashamed? They're quoting a thoroughly bone-headed statement from someone in a position where he should know better.
"The internet as we know it will no longer be able to grow," [said] Daniel Karrenberg, chief scientist at RIPE NCC
-- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
On 5/27/2010 06:10, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
I am guessing that once the Obama Administration has taken control of this public utility, all of the problems will be resolved. I for one will be afraid to use it. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
-----Original Message----- From: Dorn Hetzel Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: thoughts?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=
T2
Somebody should do something!
On 5/27/2010 8:46 AM, George Bonser wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Dorn Hetzel Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: thoughts?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=
T2
Somebody should do something!
Don't worry. Obama will appoint a bipartisan committee to investigate which will report back in two years. Congress will hold hearings. A bill will be proposed to tax IP addresses.
-----Original Message----- From: Roy Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:59 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: thoughts?
On 5/27/2010 8:46 AM, George Bonser wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Dorn Hetzel Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:11 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: thoughts?
Don't worry. Obama will appoint a bipartisan committee to investigate which will report back in two years. Congress will hold hearings. A bill will be proposed to tax IP addresses.
And ensure access to IP addresses by the homeless. The are also rumblings about taking portions of 10/8 and making a national IP address preserve where the addresses must remain unused and in their natural state while a monument to 196.168/16 is planned for the lobby of UN Headquarters in New York. It is hoped that the 10/8 IPs in reserve will return to their original state despite the hard use they have experienced over recent decades. But beware, North Korea has been issuing counterfeit ARIN IP addresses and some third world countries have been found to be trafficking in 0/8 which is extremely dangerous. Addresses recently imported by ARIN from APNIC have been found to actually be 127/8 IPs that have simply had the original numbers scraped off and new numbers so skillfully applied that it is difficult to tell them from the original. Be careful out there. Where does one get an IP address degree?
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:41 AM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
Where does one get an IP address degree?
The same place anything of value is found - Wall St. They are creating CIPO's - Collateralized IP Obligations. They will create a market so people "borrow" IP addresses, the people who loan the IP addresses can hedge to insure they will get them back, then they can trade the obligations and there will soon be trillions of IP4 addresses on paper. There will be liquidity in the IP market. We are not running out, we need liquidity, that's all. Bruce Williams
On 5/28/2010 06:58, Bruce Williams wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:41 AM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
Where does one get an IP address degree?
The same place anything of value is found - Wall St.
They are creating CIPO's - Collateralized IP Obligations. They will create a market so people "borrow" IP addresses, the people who loan the IP addresses can hedge to insure they will get them back, then they can trade the obligations and there will soon be trillions of IP4 addresses on paper. There will be liquidity in the IP market. We are not running out, we need liquidity, that's all.
Sounds like something that would be a natural for Al Gore. "Collateralized IP Obligations"? I'm afraid to ask. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:46:47 PDT, George Bonser said:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html Somebody should do something!
We started deploying IPv6 in testbed mode on our production network in 1997, so we're waiting for the rest of you slackers to get caught up. :)
On 5/27/10, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:46:47 PDT, George Bonser said:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html Somebody should do something!
We started deploying IPv6 in testbed mode on our production network in 1997, so we're waiting for the rest of you slackers to get caught up. :)
& it took only 11 years for the USG to catch up: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/rewrite/pubpress/2008/070108_scorecard.html Lee
On 27.05 07:10, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2
Certainly no news for people on this list I would hope. ;-) My objective when talking to reporters who write for the *business* section is to project that mere awareness is not good enough anymore for businesses; businesses need to have a plan. For you all on this list this should help the next time you talk to the suits who decide about strategy and investments ... independently of which particular strategy you are going to recommend. The non-technical press always simplifies and exaggerates; this is a fact of life. I am sure all of us evaluate news stories based on the source. It is fine if you say to the suits "this is exaggerated, let's ......", just make the right decision. ;-) This reporter did a very reasonable job considering the space he has to operate in. Daniel Karrenberg IP address expert Not my words, but not wrong either. contributions: RFC2050/BCP012, RFC1918/BCP005, address policies in RIPE region ... founding CEO of first RIR "Prediciting the future is easy..., getting it right is the dificult part."
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