While it would probably not be an accurate assessment, it could be assumed that they are doing nothing at all to fix problems ever; how would we know? Considering that we (as in ISP's) are the primary source of thier income, don't they owe this information to us, at least in a watered-down version?
Absolutely, unless assumming "us" == NANOG. But that's between each NSI customer and NSI, not NANOG and NSI. And as an NSI customer, once escalated to this level, it's something that I'd address directly and formally with those NSI folks, the ones that have that ve$ted interest in the success of NSI. I assure you that if you're able to demonstrate that all reasonable steps have been taken to follow the formal trouble reporting process, but to no avail, they'll be interested. and if not, well, sufficient documentation would then be in place to more formally address the problem. -danny
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:11:39 MST, Danny McPherson <danny@tcb.net> said:
Absolutely, unless assumming "us" == NANOG. But that's between each NSI customer and NSI, not NANOG and NSI. And as an NSI customer, once escalated to this level, it's something that I'd
Umm.. note that if NSI drops the Whois information regarding one of their customers on the floor, that's between *me* and NSI, not between NSI and the customer. I at least *HOPE* that the majority of Whois queries are people looking for contact information for *other* sites, rather than paranoid "is my entry still OK?" queries. If the latter, we have a serious problem. If the former, it's *still* not between NSI and the customer, because the customer who's info I'm trying to find doesn't *know* that I'm unable to find it. And if I had the info so I could tell them... I wouldn't be looking in Whois in the first place. Also, note that "between each customer and NSI" is exactly the sort of reason why the concept of a class action lawsuit exists. I'm not saying one is needed, just mentioning the logic behind it.... Valdis Kletnieks Operating Systems Analyst Virginia Tech
I agree with this and that this list has agreed in the past with the exodus debacle to not use the Nanog list as forum for injuring each others business, whether it be NSI or any other organization here. I need an Updated Port List, the one on IANA is kind of old and email addresses are not updated. Danny McPherson wrote:
While it would probably not be an accurate assessment, it could be assumed that they are doing nothing at all to fix problems ever; how would we know? Considering that we (as in ISP's) are the primary source of thier income, don't they owe this information to us, at least in a watered-down version?
Absolutely, unless assumming "us" == NANOG. But that's between each NSI customer and NSI, not NANOG and NSI. And as an NSI customer, once escalated to this level, it's something that I'd address directly and formally with those NSI folks, the ones that have that ve$ted interest in the success of NSI. I assure you that if you're able to demonstrate that all reasonable steps have been taken to follow the formal trouble reporting process, but to no avail, they'll be interested.
and if not, well, sufficient documentation would then be in place to more formally address the problem.
-danny
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