I just heard this from a commentator on ABC News:
[US Intelligence] has the ability to "Sweep up all communication going around the world in a very broad way."
They must be referring to echelon. What's interesting is that ABC news is saying that they have echolon like capabilities in the Continental US. This is much rumoured but always denied and probably technically illegal. Regards Marshall Eubanks
There are currently "millions and millions of phone calls in this vacuum cleaner."
"They will be sorting through all of the communications going through phone
numbers that they have an interest in."
The reporter also mentioned that the officials have to be careful not to intercept calls of US Citizens. ----------------------------------
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Marshall Eubanks tme@21rst-century.com
There seems to be a break somewhere along the path to mediaone (ATT Broadband) cable modems in the Boston area - this all happened around midnight - suggesting either a site where backup power ran out or a preempted circuit the traceroute I just ran shows: 6 POS7-0.BR1.NYC9.ALTER.NET (152.63.18.221) 33 ms 21 ms 20 ms 7 204.255.169.94 (204.255.169.94) 18 ms 17 ms 20 ms 8 gbr4-p50.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.1.126) 14 ms 11 ms 15 ms 9 gbr3-p50.cb1ma.ip.att.net (12.122.2.14) 18 ms 16 ms 21 ms 10 gbr1-p80.cb1ma.ip.att.net (12.122.5.54) 20 ms 16 ms 22 ms 11 gar2-p360.cb1ma.ip.att.net (12.123.40.137) 20 ms 23 ms 25 ms 12 12.125.33.22 (12.125.33.22) 18 ms 23 ms 24 ms ... and things just stop note that 12.125.33.22 is registered to att.net does anybody recognize those addresses and suggest what might be out? (and if so, any idea about restoral activities going on) Thanks much, Miles Fidelman ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" **************************************************************************
There seems to be a break somewhere along the path to mediaone (ATT Broadband) cable modems in the Boston area - this all happened around midnight - suggesting either a site where backup power ran out or a preempted circuit
11 gar2-p360.cb1ma.ip.att.net (12.123.40.137) 20 ms 23 ms 25 ms 12 12.125.33.22 (12.125.33.22) 18 ms 23 ms 24 ms ... and things just stop note that 12.125.33.22 is registered to att.net
does anybody recognize those addresses and suggest what might be out? (and if so, any idea about restoral activities going on)
I've got access via ATT Broadband (on the 24.128.0.0/16) and it was working fine last night (at least up until 1am EST when I went to bed...) and appears to be up right now... Eric :)
--- Marshall Eubanks <tme@21rst-century.com> wrote:
They must be referring to echelon. What's interesting is that ABC news is saying that they have echolon like capabilities in the Continental US.
This is much rumoured but always denied and probably technically illegal.
Hogwash. The US laws prevent only the US Agency from spying on it's citizens. There is nothing that prevents the other Echelon partners (I beleive they are Austrailia, Britian, and New Zealand) from doing the spying and sharing the results. -Jim P. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
> the other Echelon partners (I beleive they are > Austrailia, Britian, and New Zealand) Don't forget Canadia. Er, Canada. -Bill
A recent Echelon report: Final Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system), European Parliament Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System, approved September 5, 2001 (~1 MB PDF file) http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf see also: Intelligence Programs and Systems This resource is a comprehensive alphabetical listing of intelligence programs, including both those for which detailed descriptions are available, as well as those for which profiles are not yet available. http://www.fas.org/irp/program/list.htm Lucy E. Lynch Academic User Services Computing Center University of Oregon llynch@darkwing.uoregon.edu (541) 346-1774 Cell: (541) 912-7998 5419127998@mobile.att.net On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> the other Echelon partners (I beleive they are > Austrailia, Britian, and New Zealand)
Don't forget Canadia. Er, Canada.
-Bill
[ On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 at 08:16:04 (-0700), Bill Woodcock wrote: ]
Subject: Re: ABC News mentions Echelon
> the other Echelon partners (I beleive they are > Austrailia, Britian, and New Zealand)
Don't forget Canadia. Er, Canada.
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