Draft NETSTAT Minutes for 7 Dec. 1995
Network Status Reports met on 7 December, 1994 from 0930 to 1145. Scheduled presentations were ANS (Rob Lehman), NSFNET Transition (Elise Gerich), InternetMCI (Phill Gross), BBN (John Curran), Sprint NAP (Tim Clifford) and SprintLink (Sean Doran) In addition to the presentations and Q&A, several meta-issues were raised or implied (furished along with my attempt to digest the pulse of the group). Is it appropriate to give what is essentially a marketing presentation at IETF? The consensus seems to be "no" if it is solely and blatantly such, but there is dissention as to where the line is. With the increasing activity of for profit concerns in the Internet, will it be possible to continue the openness of past years' presentations wrt traffic, performance, uptime statistics, etc.? [Despite the fears or predictions of some, there appeared to be some continuing openness, but also examples of extremely closed practices. I think that collegial backpressure has ceased to be sufficient to maintain the historical levels of disclosure and cooperation. - efh] In the light of these questions, what is the charter of this group? (including what is desirable vs. what is acceptable). [I think this is an ongoing process. Does commercial necessarily mean concealed? I think in the context of an interconnected, interdependent environment, it can't in the long run. - efh] Beyond concerns about openness, there are areas of concern not being addressed at all: What is the forum for operations, engineering and troubleshooting above TCP/UDP? Traditional IP regionals and carriers have been content to (determined to?) focus their energies on transport and routing. What is the forum for general end-to-end problem solving? Presentations: ANS Rob Lehman,<rll@ans.net> [See slides - only supplemental notes follow] ANSNET traffic surpassed 100m inbound packets in Nov.! CIDR note: after AUP disappears, there ought to be further aggregation possible ANS' NAP connectivity status: Connection to the Sprint NAP was installed on 9-21-94. At this time (7 Dec. 94) it's only been operational since 2 weeks, but substantial traffic has been exchanged Connection to the PacBell NAP was installed on 10-14-94, but is not in production. Connection to the Ameritech NAP was installed on 11-22-94, but is not in production. A MAE+ FDDI Installation plan has been established. Its exact schedule is contingent on logistics. Real Soon Now. ANS did link optimizations for cross-country trunking, to address an imbalance in the relative utilizations of their northern and southern routes. After testing, they are further considering deployment of Random Early Drop. Transition Elise Gerich <epg@merit.edu> [No slides - see contemporaneous presentations to IESG, etc.] NONE of the ENSSen have been retired. The regionals' transition to non-NSF Inter-Regional Connectivity has been slow. Target dates of Nov. 1 and Dec. 1 have been missed, Merit is hoping for ~ Jan. 1 terminations + 60 days... THEnet and MOREnet have made the transition to SprintLink. SURAnet has moved traffic to MCInet, but has not formally notified Merit of the ability to terminate the ENSS connection. CA*NET is close to transition to MCI THEnet is sharing Inter-Regional Connectivity with Sesquinet Interconnection point status: The Sprint NAP has connections from Sprint, MCI, and NSFNET. In DC, at MFS facilities, everyone is on MAE and is committed to connecting to MAE+. At the Ameritech NAP, MCI and NSFNET are about to start peering, with Sprint to connect soon. PacBell has MCI and ANS are peering, and Sprint will connect soon. Route servers are present at MAE, the PacBell NAP, the Ameritech and the Sprint NAP. Routing DB deployment and transition. The applications are moving from PRDB (@merit) to RA (db-admin@radb.ra.net). At some point, Merit will do dual use of NACR and RADB forms, followed by retirement of NACR (transition ca. Jan. 15.) Merit has recommended to NSF that during transition (Jan.-Jun., there should be no need to specify AUP. If anyone is still relying on PRDB reports they should contact Dale!!! InternetMCI Phill Gross <0006423401@mcimail.com> [see pretty slides. In color. Phill apologized.] Problems were experienced transitioning SURAnet, thus delaying the CoREN schedule. "DS3 networking is not yet a commodity service." - experienced some problems in the routers. Questions from the floor: What management platform does InternetMCI use? Phill: Hewlett- Packard OpenView, plus homegrown tools and extensions. What Other nets beside CoREN is MCI serving? Phill: CA*NET is partially transitioned...(at 3Mb), WIDE (at T1) and BTnet (at E1) InternetMCI NAP connectivity status: Chicago (Ameritech) was connected a the end of last week, MCI is connected and peering at Sprint, MAE and CIX. ANS and MCI are interconnected at FDDI at Hayward CA. common PoP (Phill: Thanks for the cooperation, ANS!) Q: When will MCI be connected to FIX-W? Phill: I don't know. It's underway, maybe by the end of year, approximately the same as CIX- SMDS, MAE+. Q: What's the status of the vBNS? Phill: we're deploying a testnet, and full rollout 1Q95 at OC-3. The testnet should be operational before Christmas. BBN John Curran <curran@bbn.com> [Admittedly marketing slides.] BBN is upgrading the NEARNET spine in the Boston area, migrating from microwave Ethernet to fiber (MFS 10Mb over NYNEX T3). Currently BBN has almost 2000 SNMP managed items... Operations/NOC/NIC tip: you can head off phone calls by giving seminars! BBN is now offering "Turnkey Internet Server" (Pentium/BSDi) Internet Site Patrol - managed firewall (BBN CONTROLS it), with remote management done by BBN ISC over a secure channel. It's derived from TIS products, and supports telnet, ftp, smtp, nntp, www, x BBN strenuously wants to know how to pursue end-to-end problem solving (they still subscribe to 'the router is BBN's, we control the horizontal, we control the vertical). Sprint NAP, Tim Clifford <tcliff@sprint.net>(New PI) Report on the Sprint "NY" NAP (in Southern NJ). It is now (Dec. 94) a dual FDDI ring, and in Jan. will be converted to a DEC Gigaswitch. [See before and after diagrams]. Connected, parties include MCI, NSFNET, Sprint and Cerfnet. A Route Server is present and running. Aside: Sprint has "always thought about ATM" [the implication being that they felt is wasn't ready - efh] Question: the DEC GigaSwitch has DS3 cards. Have you considered access this way? Tim: not really. [It's my understanding that a GS ATM interface can only talk to other GS. - efh] Q: being already co-located, can folks try alternate interconnect technologies? Tim: likely. Try us. SprintLink, Sean Doran <smd@sprint.net> Sprintlink's T1 backbone is melting down. They're converting to DS- 3s or parallel T1s in the next few weeks.[see diagram]. T3 customers feed directly into BB routers to avoid saturating local FDDI rings For trans-US international connectivity, ICM has 2 T3 between Stockton, CA and DC. The design goal in separation of SprintLink and ICM was the assurance of symmetry of routing. [Context?] preservation of next hop in routing is critical feature (could not wait for IDRP) Q: What about fears of an ASpath explosion in routing tables? Sean: Too late. Already here!
Gene Hastings writes: THEnet is sharing Inter-Regional Connectivity with Sesquinet Incorrect, as of THEnet's transition to Sprint in Oct. -- Jeff Hayward
Below is a pair of gross and ugly maps that Vadim Antonov and I have just drawn with xfig (apologies for the delay). The first slide is roughly what I drew freehand at the IETF meeting in San Jose, the second is the current working model we are tossing around in Engineering. Hopefully I'll have the pop-design, ICMnet and design rationale slides shortly, if not, I'll have them (and others) at NANOG. Sean. - -- # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". 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