Fwd: [cfgeeks] HACKERS LEAVE A TRAIL OF CHAOS, BUT FEW CLUES
In light of some recent discussion, I thought I'd forward this quote, from the LA Times:
HARD TIME AWAITS HACKERS GUILTY OF WEB ATTACKS Whether it's a group of international terrorists or a 16-year-old whose prank has gotten way out of hand, whoever is behind this week's series of "denial of service" assaults on popular Web sites could face serious penalties. If the damage is intentional, penalties range from six months to five years in prison, plus a fine of up to $250,000 for the first offense, and up to 10 years in prison for the second offense. Unintentional damage caused by negligence is punishable by up to a year in prison and a $100,000 fine. The U.S. penalties apply even to foreigners if a U.S. computer is used in the attack. (Los Angeles Times 9 Feb 2000) http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/techwr/20000209/tCB00V0261.html
I'd like to call special attention to that last sentence. For those folks who were telling me I was "off base", "not thinking globally", "being an ugly American", or similar horseshit during this discussion, see here that I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
is that "legally" dragged into US custody, or the standard amurikan "kidnap them, drag them to US soil" then arrest them? -- [ Jim Mercer jim@reptiles.org +1 416 506-0654 ] [ Reptilian Research -- Longer Life through Colder Blood ] [ Don't be fooled by cheap Finnish imitations; BSD is the One True Code. ]
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Jim Mercer wrote:
I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
is that "legally" dragged into US custody, or the standard amurikan "kidnap them, drag them to US soil" then arrest them?
Speaking of dragged and so forth, I wonder which country the twits behind the recent hacking of the RSA site (http://www.rsa.com/ - still there now) reside in, and how long before they get done. And to make this vaguely operational, this was noticed at 7pm GMT+1000 last night, and the listed contacts notified at that time by email. Its times like this that having after-hours contacts listed seems like a bloody good idea. ( Called the Australian office this morning, apparently hot on the heels of someone from Denmark doing the same thing. Hopefully they've got a/h numbers for the US side of their operation) --==-- Bruce. I speak for myself.
Does it matter, for purposes of this discussion? Either way, you end up in the US, subject to trial. From there it's a simpler matter (albeit non-trivial) to try you in multiple states. They could pass you around for years, if they did it right. Hell, look what they did to Mitnick, and they didn't even pass him around. At 09:26 PM 2/13/2000 -0500, you wrote:
I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
is that "legally" dragged into US custody, or the standard amurikan "kidnap them, drag them to US soil" then arrest them?
No they did not, they used portions of the RICO act I am certain to hold him indefinitely to make an example for the rest of what can happen. He Kevin did run an ongoing criminal enterprise.... Canadian Mischief law is very strict too, 10 years for the 1st offense...I like it. Shawn McMahon wrote:
Does it matter, for purposes of this discussion?
Either way, you end up in the US, subject to trial. From there it's a simpler matter (albeit non-trivial) to try you in multiple states.
They could pass you around for years, if they did it right.
Hell, look what they did to Mitnick, and they didn't even pass him around.
At 09:26 PM 2/13/2000 -0500, you wrote:
I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
is that "legally" dragged into US custody, or the standard amurikan "kidnap them, drag them to US soil" then arrest them?
-- Thank you; |--------------------------------------------| | Thinking is a learned process so is UNIX | |--------------------------------------------| Henry R. Linneweh
In my minds eye, I see a 6 man seal team, armed to the teeth with night-vision goggles and MP5's, helicoptering into rainy Birmingham, England, chanting 'hut, hut, hut' in unison, and dragging off a 13 year old snotty geek so that said 13 year old can be made an example of. One wonders if I digested too much Monty Python in my youth, but I find that image insanely funny. Equally funny would be watching Tony Blair and Bill Clinton having a 'who blinks first' contest at the United Nations. -Steve Shawn McMahon wrote:
Does it matter, for purposes of this discussion?
Either way, you end up in the US, subject to trial. From there it's a simpler matter (albeit non-trivial) to try you in multiple states.
They could pass you around for years, if they did it right.
Hell, look what they did to Mitnick, and they didn't even pass him around.
At 09:26 PM 2/13/2000 -0500, you wrote:
I am not alone in thinking that somebody is very likely to be dragged into US custody yet again over this.
is that "legally" dragged into US custody, or the standard amurikan "kidnap them, drag them to US soil" then arrest them?
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