RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than a /24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers. -----------------------Original Message----------------------- From: Roeland Meyer To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/13/01 4:21 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue. http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security.
From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM
<FLAME ON>
PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is the backhaul provider for them both. Need I say more?
Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were without service for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched.
We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI and were using our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI.
Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At first, PSI didnt stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one at our NOC knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows how doesn't work weekends."
<flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>
Yes, ARIN won't _prevent_ you from SWIPping /29s and /30s, but ARIN _requires_ you to SWIP any suballocation larger than a /28, and won't issue additional blocks to you if your current blocks aren't properly SWIPped. -C On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:07:26PM -0500, John Murphy wrote:
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than a /24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
-----------------------Original Message----------------------- From: Roeland Meyer To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/13/01 4:21 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue.
http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm
None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security.
From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM
<FLAME ON>
PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is the backhaul provider for them both. Need I say more?
Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were without service for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched.
We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI and were using our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI.
Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At first, PSI didnt stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one at our NOC knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows how doesn't work weekends."
<flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
ARIN returns my /30's and says I can't do netblocks larger than /29 so I stopped doing /30's. Are you paying them something on the side or just not reading all the replies from them? :) Hunter Pine Vice President, Network Operations hunter@compuhelp.com CompuHelp Technologies 11 Lispenard Street New York, NY 10013 212-995-2955 x21 http://www.compuhelp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com> To: "John Murphy" <nanog@mail.murfnet.com> Cc: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
Yes, ARIN won't _prevent_ you from SWIPping /29s and /30s, but ARIN
_requires_
you to SWIP any suballocation larger than a /28, and won't issue additional blocks to you if your current blocks aren't properly SWIPped.
-C
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:07:26PM -0500, John Murphy wrote:
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than
a
/24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
-----------------------Original Message----------------------- From: Roeland Meyer To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/13/01 4:21 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue.
http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm
None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security.
From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM
<FLAME ON>
PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is the backhaul provider for them both. Need I say more?
Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were without service for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched.
We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI and were using our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI.
Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At first, PSI didnt stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one at our NOC knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows how doesn't work weekends."
<flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
s/larger/smaller, you mean? I actually haven't SWIPped a /30 myself - I was referring to John Murphy's statement implying that he has successfully. I have SWIPped /29's, however. -C On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:36:11PM -0400, Hunter Pine wrote:
ARIN returns my /30's and says I can't do netblocks larger than /29 so I stopped doing /30's. Are you paying them something on the side or just not reading all the replies from them? :)
Hunter Pine Vice President, Network Operations hunter@compuhelp.com CompuHelp Technologies 11 Lispenard Street New York, NY 10013 212-995-2955 x21 http://www.compuhelp.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com> To: "John Murphy" <nanog@mail.murfnet.com> Cc: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
Yes, ARIN won't _prevent_ you from SWIPping /29s and /30s, but ARIN
_requires_
you to SWIP any suballocation larger than a /28, and won't issue additional blocks to you if your current blocks aren't properly SWIPped.
-C
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:07:26PM -0500, John Murphy wrote:
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less than
a
/24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
-----------------------Original Message----------------------- From: Roeland Meyer To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/13/01 4:21 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue.
http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm
None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security.
From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM
<FLAME ON>
PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is the backhaul provider for them both. Need I say more?
Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were without service for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched.
We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI and were using our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI.
Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At first, PSI didnt stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one at our NOC knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows how doesn't work weekends."
<flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
s/larger/smaller, you mean?
I actually haven't SWIPped a /30 myself - I was referring to John Murphy's statement implying that he has successfully. I have SWIPped /29's, however.
-C
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:36:11PM -0400, Hunter Pine wrote:
ARIN returns my /30's and says I can't do netblocks larger than /29 so I stopped doing /30's. Are you paying them something on the side or just not reading all the replies from them? :)
Hunter Pine Vice President, Network Operations hunter@compuhelp.com CompuHelp Technologies 11 Lispenard Street New York, NY 10013 212-995-2955 x21 http://www.compuhelp.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com> To: "John Murphy" <nanog@mail.murfnet.com> Cc: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
Yes, ARIN won't _prevent_ you from SWIPping /29s and /30s, but ARIN
_requires_
you to SWIP any suballocation larger than a /28, and won't issue additional blocks to you if your current blocks aren't properly SWIPped.
-C
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:07:26PM -0500, John Murphy wrote:
I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything less
a
/24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for both our Frame and our DSL customers.
-----------------------Original Message----------------------- From: Roeland Meyer To: nanog@nanog.org Date: 5/13/01 4:21 PM Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue.
http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm
None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when
Larger - ARIN refers to netblocks by subnet mask bit length. So a /30 is larger than a /29. It took me a while to figure this out myself while reading their docs. I guess whenever referring to ARIN, I use the backwards method when comparing netblocks to keep myself at least partially sane. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com> To: "Hunter Pine" <hunter@compuhelp.com> Cc: "John Murphy" <nanog@mail.murfnet.com>; "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS than they're
ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security.
From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM
<FLAME ON>
PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is the backhaul provider for them both. Need I say more?
Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were without service for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched.
We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI and were using our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI.
Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At first, PSI didnt stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one at our NOC knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows how doesn't work weekends."
<flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
-- --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil@semihuman.com
PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B
Perhaps you mean 'longer' ... On Mon, 14 May 2001, Hunter Pine wrote:
Larger - ARIN refers to netblocks by subnet mask bit length. So a /30 is larger than a /29.
s/larger/smaller, you mean?
ARIN returns my /30's and says I can't do netblocks larger than /29 so I stopped doing /30's. Are you paying them something on the side or just not reading all the replies from them? :)
In the referenced message, Hunter Pine said:
Larger - ARIN refers to netblocks by subnet mask bit length. So a /30 is larger than a /29.
It took me a while to figure this out myself while reading their docs. I guess whenever referring to ARIN, I use the backwards method when comparing netblocks to keep myself at least partially sane. :)
I have most commonly seen networks referred to in terms of size (larger/smaller), and prefixes in terms of length (longer/shorter). Therefore, a larger network has a shorter prefix-length, and a smaller network has a longer prefix-length. IIRC, ARIN makes all references as to prefix-length in this manner.
s/larger/smaller, you mean?
I actually haven't SWIPped a /30 myself - I was referring to John Murphy's statement implying that he has successfully. I have SWIPped /29's, however.
I just got done SWIPing all my /29's /28's and larger. Should I be SWIPing /30's (.252) as well? I know ARIN says /29 is required, but is SWIPing /30's considered good practice? What about singles? (/32) It sure makes hooking a whois server into my customer databases sound interesting. --Mike--
No, don't SWiP /30's or /32's. ARIN won't even accept them. /H ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike harrison" <meuon@highertech.net> To: "Christopher A. Woodfield" <rekoil@semihuman.com> Cc: <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Swipping /29's /30's and singles..
s/larger/smaller, you mean?
I actually haven't SWIPped a /30 myself - I was referring to John
Murphy's
statement implying that he has successfully. I have SWIPped /29's, however.
I just got done SWIPing all my /29's /28's and larger. Should I be SWIPing /30's (.252) as well?
I know ARIN says /29 is required, but is SWIPing /30's considered good practice? What about singles? (/32)
It sure makes hooking a whois server into my customer databases sound interesting. --Mike--
I am currently using Business DSL from speakeasy and I am not happy about them and their reverse DNS policy. They haven't swiped anything to ARIN, nor rwhois (I have a /27 block). They won't do so far reverse DNS entries for 2 machine, I need the reverse DNS before I can move them. Right now they say we don't do those entries, as the forward DNS points somewhere else. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204
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