On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Jason Legate wrote:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000712/n12107355.html
Would all the customers be moved to exds? Wouldn't that be like shooting one's self in the foot (on gc's part)?
Anyone have any ideas on how they would do this?
I think you believe what you read a little too much. Even if they wanted to, I don't believe Exodus has anywhere near the backbone capacity to support those datacenters, so unless they're getting some dark fiber as part of the deal... -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/humble PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard A. Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> To: Jason Legate <jlegate@alienchick.com> Cc: <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:15 PM Subject: Re: GC/Exds deal -- How would it work?
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Jason Legate wrote:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000712/n12107355.html
Would all the customers be moved to exds? Wouldn't that be like
shooting
one's self in the foot (on gc's part)?
Anyone have any ideas on how they would do this?
I think you believe what you read a little too much.
Even if they wanted to, I don't believe Exodus has anywhere near the backbone capacity to support those datacenters, so unless they're getting some dark fiber as part of the deal...
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/humble PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
The article just says that the professional services is being purchased, so are PS people from exds going to work in the gblx datacenters? That was really my question, sorry for ambiguities. -j On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 05:21:46PM -0700, Mark Tripod wrote:
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact.
Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard A. Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> To: Jason Legate <jlegate@alienchick.com> Cc: <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:15 PM Subject: Re: GC/Exds deal -- How would it work?
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Jason Legate wrote:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000712/n12107355.html
Would all the customers be moved to exds? Wouldn't that be like
shooting
one's self in the foot (on gc's part)?
Anyone have any ideas on how they would do this?
I think you believe what you read a little too much.
Even if they wanted to, I don't believe Exodus has anywhere near the backbone capacity to support those datacenters, so unless they're getting some dark fiber as part of the deal...
-- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/humble PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 05:21:46PM -0700, Mark Tripod wrote:
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact.
It's also worth noting that it's going to be easier for them to push enough traffic to justify more peering after such a merger, and additional transit arrangements can easily be made during the transition period. Acquisitions like this happen and these issues are resolved all the time. --msa
"Majdi S. Abbas" wrote:
On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 05:21:46PM -0700, Mark Tripod wrote:
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact.
It's also worth noting that it's going to be easier for them to push enough traffic to justify more peering after such a merger, and additional transit arrangements can easily be made during the transition period. Acquisitions like this happen and these issues are resolved all the time.
[warning: non-operational question follows] Are they selling off Frontier Long Distance too? --Just curious, **SJS -- North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor Pictures of two of my 'children': http://www.WrinkleDogs.com About Spamfighters: "We're not net nazis. We're dot communists." - W. Arnold
On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:56:19 -0400, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net> wrote:
[warning: non-operational question follows]
Are they selling off Frontier Long Distance too?
Nope. In fact, there haven't been anything more than rumours about selling anything other than their ILEC business: http://www.gblx.net/pressreleases/pr_071200.htm Man, my cellphone is on its third carrier-name this year, and now my landline is getting into the act... $10 says Worldcom owns the Vatican by the end of 2001... -rt -- Ryan Tucker <rtucker@netacc.net> Network Administrator NetAccess, Inc. Phone: +1 716 756-5596 3495 Winton Place, Building E, Suite 265, Rochester NY 14623 www.netacc.net
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Mark Tripod wrote:
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact.
A most excellent joke ... a rib tickler no less ...
"Majdi S. Abbas" wrote:
It's also worth noting that it's going to be easier for them to push enough traffic to justify more peering after such a merger, and additional transit arrangements can easily be made during the transition period. Acquisitions like this happen and these issues are resolved all the time.
If you're confusing peering with transit then excuse me, but by purchasing another hosting business and, therefore, adding to EXDS's already terrible outbound vs inbound traffic ratios it will make obtaining good non-settlement peering even more difficult. A bunch (meaning: most of) the big backbones have peering guidelines regarding what a potential peers ratios must be to qualify. Like in the (out:in) 2:1 or 3:1 range. "Steve Sobol" wrote:
[warning: non-operational question follows]
Are they selling off Frontier Long Distance too?
I believe the announcement was just about the GBLX LEC business and nothing definitive about anything else. -Steve
All very true. And of course my comments eariler were purely hypothetical in nature. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Carter <scarter@pobox.com> To: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net> Cc: Majdi S. Abbas <msa@samurai.sfo.dead-dog.com>; Mark Tripod <mark@exodus.net>; <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:22 PM Subject: Re: GC/Exds deal -- How would it work?
Mark Tripod wrote:
Well if Exodus can support it's current Data Centers on its backbone, I find it hard to believe that adding the seven that GC has now would make much of an impact.
A most excellent joke ... a rib tickler no less ...
"Majdi S. Abbas" wrote:
It's also worth noting that it's going to be easier for them to push enough traffic to justify more peering after such a merger, and additional transit arrangements can easily be made during the transition period. Acquisitions like this happen and these issues are resolved all the time.
If you're confusing peering with transit then excuse me, but by purchasing another hosting business and, therefore, adding to EXDS's already terrible outbound vs inbound traffic ratios it will make obtaining good non-settlement peering even more difficult. A bunch (meaning: most of) the big backbones have peering guidelines regarding what a potential peers ratios must be to qualify. Like in the (out:in) 2:1 or 3:1 range.
"Steve Sobol" wrote:
[warning: non-operational question follows]
Are they selling off Frontier Long Distance too?
I believe the announcement was just about the GBLX LEC business and nothing definitive about anything else.
-Steve
On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 10:22:27PM -0700, Steve Carter wrote:
It's also worth noting that it's going to be easier for them to push enough traffic to justify more peering after such a merger, and additional transit arrangements can easily be made during the transition period. Acquisitions like this happen and these issues are resolved all the time.
If you're confusing peering with transit then excuse me, but by purchasing another hosting business and, therefore, adding to EXDS's already terrible outbound vs inbound traffic ratios it will make obtaining good non-settlement peering even more difficult. A bunch (meaning: most of) the big backbones have peering guidelines regarding what a potential peers ratios must be to qualify. Like in the (out:in) 2:1 or 3:1 range.
Yes.. there is the question of wether the peers of GC would honor those agreements under ownership of exodus (probably not since most already have agreements with esodus and would force the contracts to be ammended to reflect exodus' terms) and wether or not they would suddenly decide that this is not such a good deal for them as peers.
Are they selling off Frontier Long Distance too?
I believe the announcement was just about the GBLX LEC business and nothing definitive about anything else.
-Steve
The announcement I saw from the WSJ said deffinitively GBLX Local (I assume rochester tel and etc) would go away and that rumors had gblx and exodus in talks over the globalcenter part (this would be just the data centers, not the long distance business or the ip backbone) and the money would be used to pay down gblx debt. Personally, I think it would be a bad idea. (remember, they also announced some months back that they were going to spin globalcenter off into a tracking stock. If the rumor of a sale is true, what does that say about management's oppinion of the business?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Bouchard [Immagine Your ] web@typo.org [Company Name Here] Network Engineer http://www.typo.org/~web/resume.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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