Fellow list members, The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols. Anyone able to sort this out and fix? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog@nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2B72F160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy@newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog@nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog@nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy@newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
Well, in a few years when we’re all watching 4D 32K Netflix on our 16-foot screens with 5 million DPI, it’ll make all the difference in the world, right? Tongue-in-cheek obviously. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog@nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2F2AA160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy@newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog@nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog@nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy@newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 11:12:22 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
Doesn't stop customers from buying it if it's cheap and available, which doesn't stop them from proving they are getting 10Gbps as advertised.
Mark.
I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp service in all homes we supply!” they sure could. Would an electrician be able to test it? I’m sure there is a way somehow. If me and everyone on my street tried to use 200 amps all at the same time, could the infrastructure handle it? Doubtful. But do I on occasion saturate my home fiber 300 mbit synchronous connection? Every now and then yes, but rarely. Although if I’m paying for 300 and not getting it, my ISP will be hearing from me. If my electrical utility told me “hey, you can upgrade to 500 amp service for no additional charge” would I do it? Sure, what the heck. If my water utility said “guess what? You can upgrade to a 2-inch water line at no additional charge!” would I do it? Probably yeah, why not? Would I ever use all that capacity on $random_utility at one time? Of course not. But nice to know it’s there if I ever need it. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com 5609 Harding Dr. Lincoln, NE 68521 (402) 304-0083 cellular
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:24:51 -0500, Andy Ringsmuth said:
Fellow list members,
The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols.
Anyone able to sort this out and fix?
Protip: mail forwarding loops almost always require seeing all the Received: headers to correctly diagnose.. I had one of these show up earlier. I'm willing to send to offline to somebody who can act on it.
I got a whole bunch overnight as well. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Ringsmuth" <andy@newslink.com> To: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24:51 PM Subject: NANOG list errors Fellow list members, The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols. Anyone able to sort this out and fix? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog@nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2B72F160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy@newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog@nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog@nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy@newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
Well, in a few years when we’re all watching 4D 32K Netflix on our 16-foot screens with 5 million DPI, it’ll make all the difference in the world, right? Tongue-in-cheek obviously. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog@nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2F2AA160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy@newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog@nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog@nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog@nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy@newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 11:12:22 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later.
Doesn't stop customers from buying it if it's cheap and available, which doesn't stop them from proving they are getting 10Gbps as advertised.
Mark.
I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp service in all homes we supply!” they sure could. Would an electrician be able to test it? I’m sure there is a way somehow. If me and everyone on my street tried to use 200 amps all at the same time, could the infrastructure handle it? Doubtful. But do I on occasion saturate my home fiber 300 mbit synchronous connection? Every now and then yes, but rarely. Although if I’m paying for 300 and not getting it, my ISP will be hearing from me. If my electrical utility told me “hey, you can upgrade to 500 amp service for no additional charge” would I do it? Sure, what the heck. If my water utility said “guess what? You can upgrade to a 2-inch water line at no additional charge!” would I do it? Probably yeah, why not? Would I ever use all that capacity on $random_utility at one time? Of course not. But nice to know it’s there if I ever need it. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy@newslink.com 5609 Harding Dr. Lincoln, NE 68521 (402) 304-0083 cellular
On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:24 PM, Andy Ringsmuth <andy@newslink.com> wrote:
Fellow list members,
The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols.
Anyone able to sort this out and fix?
Andy (and others), if you forward a few full bounces to me I can take a look and see what might be going on. DW
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