By any chance is this list available via xml/rss? Thanks, Mike
On 19 Jan 2005, at 08:17, Mike Callahan wrote:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss?
"Mike Callahan" <mcallahan@bullseyetelecom.net> writes:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss?
There are several email to rss gateway software packages out there; it would be trivial to roll your own. YMMV, but after reading a couple of other mailing lists that were gatewayed to rss, my sense is that RSS is not the right technology for reading NANOG unless one were to create a "first article only" feed. Due to different ways of looking at data than one would usually think of when designing a mail or usenet reader, all RSS readers of my admittedly fairly narrow acquaintance are lacking in one critical (imnsho) feature for reading NANOG-L: "kill thread". ---Rob
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:11:20 -0500, Robert E. Seastrom <rs@seastrom.com> wrote:
YMMV, but after reading a couple of other mailing lists that were gatewayed to rss, my sense is that RSS is not the right technology for reading NANOG unless one were to create a "first article only" feed. Due to different ways of looking at data than one would usually think of when designing a mail or usenet reader, all RSS readers of my admittedly fairly narrow acquaintance are lacking in one critical (imnsho) feature for reading NANOG-L: "kill thread".
This is a much better way than RSS - http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog?set_skin=zawodny -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 09:11 -0500, Robert E.Seastrom wrote:
"Mike Callahan" <mcallahan@bullseyetelecom.net> writes:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss?
There are several email to rss gateway software packages out there; it would be trivial to roll your own.
YMMV, but after reading a couple of other mailing lists that were gatewayed to rss, my sense is that RSS is not the right technology for reading NANOG unless one were to create a "first article only" feed.
I am actually wonder if RSS has an advantage at all compared to a mailinglist, especially as RSS is a pull mechanism, if there is nothing or not a lot happening it will be polling the server a lot of times needlessy, thus causing server resources. While of course a mailinglist has the overhead of the email headers. But I am quite convinced of the idea that a push * 25.000 subscribers is lighter load on the server than having a continues pull by those 25.000 subscribers... Next to that, my mailbox simply shows the articles I have not read and I throw out what I did read and can easily reply to what I like to reply to. Personally thus RSS has not much value, just like NNTP actually, even though NNTP comes quite close to email. Greets, Jeroen
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:55:19 +0100, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org> wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 09:11 -0500, Robert E.Seastrom wrote:
"Mike Callahan" <mcallahan@bullseyetelecom.net> writes:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss?
There are several email to rss gateway software packages out there; it would be trivial to roll your own.
YMMV, but after reading a couple of other mailing lists that were gatewayed to rss, my sense is that RSS is not the right technology for reading NANOG unless one were to create a "first article only" feed.
I am actually wonder if RSS has an advantage at all compared to a mailinglist, especially as RSS is a pull mechanism, if there is nothing or not a lot happening it will be polling the server a lot of times needlessy, thus causing server resources. While of course a mailinglist has the overhead of the email headers. But I am quite convinced of the idea that a push * 25.000 subscribers is lighter load on the server than having a continues pull by those 25.000 subscribers...
Next to that, my mailbox simply shows the articles I have not read and I throw out what I did read and can easily reply to what I like to reply to. Personally thus RSS has not much value, just like NNTP actually, even though NNTP comes quite close to email.
Greets, Jeroen
Try pointing your subscription to Gmail. Plenty of space to hold a nice archive. Quickly Searchable, accessible from anywhere, automatic threading. Make a label and matching filter for each mailing-list...make's thing nice and sorted automatically. Your Gmail acc't can be accessed via rss too, so there's that. --chip Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc....
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 11:36 -0500, chip wrote: <SNIP>
Try pointing your subscription to Gmail.
Why the peep would I want to rely on a service provider like Gmail or Hotmail or whatever for something as as important as my email ? I also like to use my own domain for sending mail, it will never change unless I go bankrupt or the internet disappears completely. Especially folks in the ISP business should be able to pretty easily setup much more sophisticated systems without having to rely on a third party at all. You can then pick any combination of tools you want to use to process it ranging from a Windows95 box to a superduper Earth Simulator, just depending on the size of your pocket (and the money that will not be in it afterwards) and your own capabilities. Do you have any idea how much mail you can store on your local NetApp ? :)
Plenty of space to hold a nice archive. Quickly Searchable, accessible from anywhere, automatic threading. Make a label and matching filter for each mailing-list...make's thing nice and sorted automatically.
People call this procmail and their other favourite tool of choice ;)
Your Gmail acc't can be accessed via rss too, so there's that.
If you didn't notice from my message I don't see the need for RSS at all because it is not at all useful for many things, especially as email gateways. Greets, Jeroen PS: Another nice feature of your own mail system is that you can actually configure your real name completely and nicely capitalized in the from address ;)
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:48:07 +0100, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org> wrote:
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 11:36 -0500, chip wrote: <SNIP>
Try pointing your subscription to Gmail.
Why the peep would I want to rely on a service provider like Gmail or Hotmail or whatever for something as as important as my email ? I also like to use my own domain for sending mail, it will never change unless I go bankrupt or the internet disappears completely.
Especially folks in the ISP business should be able to pretty easily setup much more sophisticated systems without having to rely on a third party at all. You can then pick any combination of tools you want to use to process it ranging from a Windows95 box to a superduper Earth Simulator, just depending on the size of your pocket (and the money that will not be in it afterwards) and your own capabilities.
Do you have any idea how much mail you can store on your local NetApp ? :)
Plenty of space to hold a nice archive. Quickly Searchable, accessible from anywhere, automatic threading. Make a label and matching filter for each mailing-list...make's thing nice and sorted automatically.
People call this procmail and their other favourite tool of choice ;)
Your Gmail acc't can be accessed via rss too, so there's that.
If you didn't notice from my message I don't see the need for RSS at all because it is not at all useful for many things, especially as email gateways.
Greets, Jeroen
PS: Another nice feature of your own mail system is that you can actually configure your real name completely and nicely capitalized in the from address ;)
Jeroen, I agree with you on pretty much everything you said. The only thing I use this gmail account for is mailing lists. I don't want to clutter up my inbox with all the stuff that happens on 10 different lists. I also don't want to have to deal with the spamming issues that are a result of the lists. And why should I pay for space, equipment, and time when someone's giving me 1Gb for free with all the handy tools already installed. Anyhow, to each his own, was just pointing out another option. -- chip Just my $.02, your mileage may vary, batteries not included, etc....
rs@seastrom.com (Robert E.Seastrom) writes:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss? ... Due to different ways of looking at data than one would usually think of when designing a mail or usenet reader, all RSS readers of my admittedly fairly narrow acquaintance are lacking in one critical (imnsho) feature for reading NANOG-L: "kill thread".
we gateway nanog@ (it's not called NANOG-L, really, plz stop saying that) into a local usenet newsgroup here. the netnews feature i use most often isn't actually "kill by thread", but rather "kill by author". i can't imagine how any of you read this forum using a normal e-mail tool. -- Paul Vixie
i can't imagine how any of you read this forum using a normal e-mail tool.
I've used Outlook 2003 since Beta, and couldn't imagine not using it for emailing. Just setup a rule to send NANOG emails to their own folder and let 'em roll in. I'll browse every so often and decide I don't care about a topic and just mark that day's emails as read. Plus my phone/pda can sync across the Sprint network with Exchange and download the most recent emails when I get bored on the train or at lunch. Joe Johnson
Mike Callahan <mcallahan@bullseyetelecom.net> writes:
By any chance is this list available via xml/rss?
Thanks,
Mike
You can get it via blog and rss format from here - http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog?set_skin=zawodny -srs
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