[whoisdatabase@hotmail.com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]
X-Sender: rmeyer@pop.mhsc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@MHSC.COM> Sender: Owner-Domain-Policy <owner-domain-policy@internic.net> From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@MHSC.COM> Subject: Report: Whois database for sale X-To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@INTERNIC.NET> To: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET
I just called this guy at
Registrant: Site Promotion, LLC (TARGETEDLISTS2-DOM) 3000 Millsfield Dyersburg, TN 38024 US
Domain Name: TARGETEDLISTS.COM
Administrative Contact: Promotion, Site (SP7502) spotfree@LOA.COM 901-286-6157
A *real* person answers the phone. I had a very good discussion with him and I mentioned that this call was part of the MHSC process leading to submitting his site to the RBL. He confirmed the web-site and its stated intention. I also pointed out that making whois contact information available to spammers was a lot like "tugging on Superman's cape", not a good idea as it would gain the extreme ire of every ISP on the planet, not to mention every other domain-name holder. I also politely reminded him that the whois information is for internet-related business ONLY and NOT to be used for advertising.
In turn, he informed me that, as of this morning, he has decided to stop this activity. It remains to be seen if he will do so. Chuck, I strongly suggest that NSI follow this up with their own phone contact procedures.
It is amusing that he, at first, tried to say that he didn't send the SPAM, but when I started to read excerpts from the text of his web-site he abandoned that argument line.
At 11:28 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Chuck,
To me, this indicates a serious problem at NSI. Y'all *had* to know that some scum-bag was eventually going to do this. openly. I maintain that is has been happening surreptitiously for some time, as this isn't the first time someone has spammed my contact info addresses.
What it disappointing is that NSI doesn't already have a "canned" response ready to go. It was definitely a forsee-able event. Is it maybe that you are aware of the probable response and don't like it yourself?
At 05:42 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do
so.
Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?
Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Azevedo [SMTP:Editor@Opiniao.com] Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 8:09 AM To: DOMAIN-POLICY Subject: Whois database for sale
To all and specially Chuck,
Spam received today offering access to domain owners email addresses. With a registered domain to receive orders: http://www.targetedlists.com
As long as they start selling the list widely, we should expect even more spam against domain contacts.
Isn't this offering a reason to immediately suspend/cancel this domain? And maybe other associated domains too, as "targetedlists.com" has been just registered and possibly is disposable anyway.
Benjamin Azevedo
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At 05:42 AM 12/13/98 , Gomes, Chuck wrote:
To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do so. Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?
Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.
How would people feel about having contact information available via rwhois? On the one hand it might be less manageable overall, on the other it would allow ISPs to have greater control over how their contacts are polled. It would be near trivial to implement if there was interest.
Austin
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