X-10 and like behaviour.
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more. Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own? -George -- George Michaelson | APNIC Email: ggm@apnic.net | PO Box 2131 Milton QLD 4064 Phone: +61 7 3367 0490 | Australia Fax: +61 7 3367 0482 | http://www.apnic.net
On 07/18/01, George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net> wrote:
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more.
Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own?
Reminds me a lot of the early days of fighting spam...though a ban on popups has already been mentioned in the US Congress. -- J.D. Falk a plenitude should not be wasted <jdfalk@cybernothing.org>
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more.
Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own?
Reminds me a lot of the early days of fighting spam...though a ban on popups has already been mentioned in the US Congress.
Yep, they even have an opt out page. Although I found this from another source and no obvious way to this from the frontend of their site. For what its worth the 'popunders' from x10 are cookie based. The url below will opt you out for 10years (leap years figured also). The week or so after they started these annoying things I noticed that x10 was one of the highest traffic sites (I may be wrong) of the week... I will NEVER buy anything from them... http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=3652GE=http://www.x10.com/x10ads1.htm Thanks Frank
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:13:53AM -0700, J.D. Falk wrote:
On 07/18/01, George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net> wrote:
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more.
Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own?
Reminds me a lot of the early days of fighting spam...though a ban on popups has already been mentioned in the US Congress.
X10 offers an opt-out cookie, but the usual issues of scaling apply when everyone and their brother start doing popups (opt-out from hundreds of web sites? Sure, whatever.) There are a few windows programs that claim to block popups. X10 even recommends them for people who don't want to get their ads, which surprised me since it pretty much admits that they know they're harassing people to the point of installing special software just to get some X10 ad relief. Seems like a poor way to get name recognition to me ("X10? Oh yeah... they do those really annoying ads, and made me buy special software just to be rid of them. Ooh, I think I'll buy something from them posthaste!"). I just did: echo "127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com" >> /etc/hosts which solves half of the problem (I get an empty popup). David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, David Shaw wrote: [snip]
There are a few windows programs that claim to block popups. X10 even recommends them for people who don't want to get their ads, which surprised me since it pretty much admits that they know they're harassing people to the point of installing special software just to get some X10 ad relief. Seems like a poor way to get name recognition to me ("X10? Oh yeah... they do those really annoying ads, and made me buy special software just to be rid of them. Ooh, I think I'll buy something from them posthaste!"). [snip]
Just turn off javascript and you will find browsing nirvana.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:02:18AM -0400, Greg Maxwell wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, David Shaw wrote: [snip]
There are a few windows programs that claim to block popups. X10 even recommends them for people who don't want to get their ads, which surprised me since it pretty much admits that they know they're harassing people to the point of installing special software just to get some X10 ad relief. Seems like a poor way to get name recognition to me ("X10? Oh yeah... they do those really annoying ads, and made me buy special software just to be rid of them. Ooh, I think I'll buy something from them posthaste!"). [snip]
Just turn off javascript and you will find browsing nirvana.
That was my original solution, but alas, these days enough sites use javascript for basic functionality that turning it off renders a good portion of the web unusable. David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
David Shaw wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:02:18AM -0400, Greg Maxwell wrote:
Just turn off javascript and you will find browsing nirvana.
That was my original solution, but alas, these days enough sites use javascript for basic functionality that turning it off renders a good portion of the web unusable.
I've never seen the pop-ups. I browse without javascript or images. I'm only interested in content. The mistake in your message is "good" portion of the web. For those of us interested in content, we find nothing missing. On those rare occasions where javascript provides useful functionality, and I've personally examined the page source, I turn on javascript and reload. For the security conscious, javascript is unconscionable. -- William Allen Simpson Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:02:01PM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
David Shaw wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:02:18AM -0400, Greg Maxwell wrote:
Just turn off javascript and you will find browsing nirvana.
That was my original solution, but alas, these days enough sites use javascript for basic functionality that turning it off renders a good portion of the web unusable.
I've never seen the pop-ups. I browse without javascript or images. I'm only interested in content.
The mistake in your message is "good" portion of the web. For those of us interested in content, we find nothing missing.
I think we can safely let each person choose for themselves what part of the web they find useful, and what security precautions they are taking. Your needs and precautions are likely not mine. Turning off javascript, just like carefully written mailbox filters against spam, does indeed address the symptom but doesn't solve the problem. David -- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
There are a few windows programs that claim to block popups. X10 even
I have been using the free Adextinguisher on windows at http://adext.magenet.net/ for quite some time. No X-10 here, or any other ads for that matter. Regards, James
recommends them for people who don't want to get their ads, which surprised me since it pretty much admits that they know they're harassing people to the point of installing special software just to get some X10 ad relief. Seems like a poor way to get name recognition to me ("X10? Oh yeah... they do those really annoying ads, and made me buy special software just to be rid of them. Ooh, I think I'll buy something from them posthaste!").
I just did:
echo "127.0.0.1 ads.x10.com" >> /etc/hosts
which solves half of the problem (I get an empty popup).
David
-- David Shaw | dshaw@jabberwocky.com | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson
At 02:35 PM 7/19/2001 +1000, George Michaelson wrote:
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more.
This link .should. disable them. Lasts for a month. Easily found on X10's site. http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=30&PAGE=http://www.x10.com/x10ads1.htm Jamie
Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own?
-George -- George Michaelson | APNIC Email: ggm@apnic.net | PO Box 2131 Milton QLD 4064 Phone: +61 7 3367 0490 | Australia Fax: +61 7 3367 0482 | http://www.apnic.net
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, George Michaelson wrote:
Its probably not a big deal, and if selling bits on the wire makes money "the more the merrier" might be a catch-cry but I wondered if there was a NANOG dimension to these bloody irritating X-10 popups that curse me more and more.
Is there some well understood non-edge solution to this kind of crap or do we all wind up rolling our own?
This isn't quite the universal solution you're looking for, but my method is to load an x10.com zone on our nameservers, with a wildcard A record pointing to loopback. Stops all x10 ads dead. IANAI however, so it's not nearly the headache it would be were a major ISP/NSP to choose this method :) -Matt
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