On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote:

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Let me be the first to congratulate you on such an excellent idea.

--Michael Dillon

Now that I had time to marinate weird ideas even further, this is how my previous idea `could` work for all parties. Of course those making financial decisions would likely hate this idea since it would somehow manage to "hurt" their business in their eyes... States (or countries) would create a massive public NAP which would be peered in each state. Guaranteed not to go down. Well 99.99999% (snicker) guaranteed not to falter. This network would be funded by taxpayer dollars and anyone wanting to peer would pay solely enough to maintain this NAP. A consortium of companies using this NAP would engineer the network since most times government officials have little clue on the engineering side of things, nor would they understand it more than those already in the industry. This NAP would be unbiased as to "my bgp tables are bigger than yours" arguments, and would pass traffic unbiased to most destinations without flaw. I'm not one for any type of government intervention but at current pace, how long would it be before the lawsuits start coming out of de-peering (is that actually a term). In the long run it is not beneficial in my eyes for companies to start shafting each other via capitalistic methods of who will pass traffic to whomever else. I know for one as the end user, I would be highly upset if two separate companies depeered and affected my company's workflow. I would also be even more upset if somehow de-peering affected my life/lifestyle or that of my family in some capacity. Think of something along the lines of dare I say "national security" for INSERT_YOUR_COUNTRY_HERE. What if two main infrastructures were broken because someone de-peered from another provider. Far Fetched Scenario: Lt. Jones "Sir we've lost all connections with $FOOBAR_DEPARTMENT... People can die if we don't get the proper information..." Senior Lt. Doe "How did this happen! We have a delivery of medical supplies... Track them down." Lt. Jones "We can't sir. We have no connectivity" Senior Lt. Doe "What do you mean" Lt. Jones "Well a provider de-peered..." Sure it's far fetched to a degree, but there are industries outside of government that could seriously be affected by de-peering actions. Health industries, say the insurance companies right now helping out natural disaster victims... I could think of an insane amount of scenarios that could happen because of actions such as those taken by L3 and Cogent. Somewhere along this thread is a VOIP thread spinoff... So what about people who can't dial (e-)911 right now. People can die if you think about the worst case scenario because of nothing more than greed. So for those who reply back with some "go to hell" like message I suggest you go back to your core and read up on ethics and morals before putting a dollar sign on a life. /* EOF MORAL RAMBLINGS */ Anyhow, I could see a benefit to having say a public works NAP. Outside of monopolistic reach working rather well. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89 "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89 "How a man plays the game shows something of his character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey