Re: Transaction Based Settlements Encourage Waste (was Re: B
Mike Leber asked: | Don't you mean senders here? (You seemed to be proposing a senders pay | system.) If not, of course receivers would continue to participate, they | earn money under your scenario for each bit they receive! A transmitter always has the option not to send. If they are unwilling to pay the receiver, they just don't send to it. Note that transmitters and receivers here are not end-to-end, but rather hop-by-hop, organizationally speaking. That is, sender host/site pays its provider, which pays the next provider which pays the next provider which pays the destination. What is paid is a business negotiation, clearly, and one option is that the payment amount is zero (i.e., I will only send you traffic if I don't have to pay for it). Basically that last sentence is precisely the issue between BBN and Exodus (cf. I will only accept traffic from you if you pay for it). Sean.
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Sean M. Doran wrote:
| Don't you mean senders here? (You seemed to be proposing a senders pay | system.) If not, of course receivers would continue to participate, they | earn money under your scenario for each bit they receive!
A transmitter always has the option not to send. If they are unwilling to pay the receiver, they just don't send to it.
Uh, the point is in practice they don't have control over this. Last time I checked most web sites don't have a personal relationship with everybody that happens to randomly visit. A high performance "suck" operation would visit every site on the Internet periodically, but not often enough to be noticed, say, once a month. Of course, this usage pattern would occur during the regular course of a legitimate non fraudulent online business. An example of this, but not the only one by means, would be a web crawler.
What is paid is a business negotiation, clearly, and one option is that the payment amount is zero (i.e., I will only send you traffic if I don't have to pay for it). Basically that last sentence is precisely the issue between BBN and Exodus (cf. I will only accept traffic from you if you pay for it).
Agreed. This is just the pursuit by a group of creatively minded individuals at one company to create a new revenue center for their business at the expense of their peers. In effect the current system is already a settlement system of sorts. New systems are simply methods of adjusting the split different than the current settlement system in an effort to generate additional revenue. Impressive if you can pull it off. I'm sure everybody you try to take money from won't appreciate it while you try to do it. You can be certain the creatively minded individuals will only propose systems that are revenue positive for their company. In addition to that, since transaction based settlements encourage waste it appears that it would be practically impossible to make a new system stick, in either direction of your desired cash extraction (we've heard both sender and receiver pays proposals). Mike. +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 408 282 1540 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting & Co-location Fax 408 971 3340 | | mleber@he.net http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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