An interesting situation here. Budi operates ID-CERT, and has been ccTLD manager since 1997. APJII is the ISP association of Indonesia, have been a registrar so far. Apparently, according to this email, they also want to be registry, and perhaps also get NIR status, as they would like to allocate IP addresses for Indonesia. I can understand where they are coming from though - their membership is basically all the ISPs in Indonesia, plus cellular carriers, telcos etc. The current ccTLD management (Budi) seems to have decided that the best way to resist what looks like, from this email, a nasty turf war, is to turn the issue into an international one. Email below that he sent ccTLDs, IANA and ICANN, and then forwarded to the igovap@lists.apdip.net asiapac i-governance mailing list. regards --srs

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:11:09 +0700 From: Budi Rahardjo <rahard@gmail.com> To: igovap@lists.apdip.net Subject: [IGOVAP] A plan to hostile take over .ID domain management List-Id: UNDP-APDIP Discussion Forum on Priorities in Internet Governance for theAsia-Pacific Region <igovap.lists.apdip.net> List-Archive: <http://lists.apdip.net/pipermail/igovap>

Just FYI. It's a sad day for me :(

-- budi

Domain Management Issues in Indonesia. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Dear ccTLDs, IANA, and ICANN, I would like report the .ID domain management issues. Originally, I was hoping that these issues could be resolved elegantly, locally. But, I think that these issues will continue. So, please bear with this long explanation.

Short summary =-=-=-=-=-=-= APJII (the association of ISP in Indonesia) is trying to takeover the .ID domain management in Indonesia. They have tried and will try everything to take over.

Long description =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I've been managing the .ID domain since the end of 1997. At that time, nobody wanted to run the domain management.

First of all, a brief description of how we run things. To run the .ID domain, I am assisted by several domain admins. Each of these domain admins is responsible for second level domains. For example, there is a domain admin for AC.ID, then there is also a different domain admin for CO.ID, etc. These domain admins are volunteered based. (None get paid, except for the CO.ID admin who is also helping the day to day operation.) All of this was done informally. I am personally responsible for everything. We use "IDNIC" as the name of our operation.

There is a fee to register a domain, except for sch.id, go.id, and mil.id (which is allocated for schools, government, and military - they are free). Most of the domains are registered with one time fee, except for web.id which has a yearly fee. In the future we would like to implement a yearly fee to make sure that there are no dead domains (domains that are not used at all). Billing was outsourced to APJII (the association of Indonesian ISP).

To serve the domain users better, we are now in the process of using registrar-registry, just like gTLDs. We would like to be the registry and stick with policy and backend. Whereas registrars are doing the business.

To implement this concept we have to formalized the organization. We decided to create a formal entity, which consists of all the domain admins (the de facto operational). This organization is a non-profit oriented. We are in the process of discussing the by-laws publicly (through open mailing list).

Now... the issues. -----------------

APJII (the associations of ISP) feels that they are being left out. They insisted that they should be part of the registry (AND registrar). They do not like the registrar-registry concept. So, they sent mails.

1. First mail stated that we cannot use the word / brand "IDNIC" anymore since they have trademarked the name IDNIC. (in 1998) (Yes, they have done this without my knowledge. It is a stab in my back.) 2. They will use the name IDNIC to serve IP allocation and AS numbers, which they are doing right now. (Note: apparently, this is )

We have no choice but to stop using the name IDNIC in our services. We are now using "ccTLD-ID" as our name. (And we have changed IANA database.) We move forward with our registrar-registry programme. Currently, we have selected 5 registrars.

The next letter was a threat to sue me.

A couple of months ago, APJII have an election and new officials were announced. As part of the election process, they also have programme. To my disbelieve, one of the programme was to create an entity called IDNIC that manages IP numbers *AND* domain name. I have no doubt that they will send a letter to ICANN to redelegate that mandate to them. Since this is their internal organization issue, I could not (and would not) do anything. But I have to give you a warning.

A few days ago, they went to the Government and asked the Gov to support APJII (or they use the name ID-NIC) as the domain management in Indonesia. Now, I am pretty sure APJII will send an email to IANA/ICANN as well, asking for a redelegation to them.

Just to give everybody a head start.

Regards -- Budi Rahardjo _______________________________________________ IGOVAP mailing list IGOVAP@lists.apdip.net http://lists.apdip.net/mailman/listinfo/igovap