I'm curious to know how many of those UU customers are just waiting for their contracts to expire before giving them the big F.U. -----Original Message----- From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:ras@e-gerbil.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:09 PM To: jlewis@lewis.org Cc: Brian; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: sprint passes uu? On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:25:15PM -0400, jlewis@lewis.org wrote:
It's hard to know how large a percentage though without knowing how
many
Sprint customers are also UU customers. i.e. The combination of Sprint and UU customer routes could still be just 47637 prefixes, though I'm sure it's somewhere between that and 47637+45410. It's certainly not 47637+45410, which would falsely suggest that together Sprint and UU have roughly 80% of the internet as customers.
Well, just by checking the "big" providers off the top of my head, I come up with: ASN Routes Common Name ---- ------ ----------- 1239 47711 Sprint 701 45429 UU 3561 23205 CW 7018 23154 AT&T 1 20231 BBN/Genuity 209 17082 Qwest 3356 12587 Level 3 3549 12175 GBLX 6453 10403 Teleglobe 2914 8791 Verio 6461 8089 MFN/AboveNet 4200 7506 Aleron/Agis 1299 6773 Telia 5511 4261 OpenTransit 4637 4066 Reach 16631 2067 Cogent 2828 1842 XO 4006 1727 NetRail/Cogent ----- 256984 Which of course ignores many dozens of 1-2k route providers. Now, of course number of routes has absolutily nothing to do with amount of traffic (ex: AOL, which anounces 400 some routes (and a lot of those are RoadRunner) but is one of if not the single the most important sink of traffic in the world), but it's interesting nevertheless. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)
ssolomon@ind.net ("Shawn Solomon") writes:
I'm curious to know how many of those UU customers are just waiting for their contracts to expire before giving them the big F.U.
transit prices have been in free fall, and worldcom has not been following them downward. however, after the cleansing ritual of chapter 11, i think they will be in a fine position to reset their per-megabit charges in ways that make them a compelling transit provider. their network's been great. -- Paul Vixie
transit prices have been in free fall, and worldcom has not been following them downward. however, after the cleansing ritual of chapter 11, i think they will be in a fine position to reset their per-megabit charges in ways that make them a compelling transit provider. their network's been great. -- Paul Vixie
Yes, the network is, and always has been great. (well, except for that one little blip a couple of weeks ago...) In our seven year relationship we were always impressed with the the NOC staff and support group at UUnet. However auditing their invoices was always an exercise in frustration. Circuits that were long-ago cancelled re-appearing time and time again, blatant overcharges, completely incomprehensible account number changes. I used to think it was incompetence or confusion caused by growth and acquisitions (having some personal experience with the latter.) I guess it has been recently revealed as felonious behavior. I'd be a fool to go down that path again. I'm sorry to say but, I'll be officiating ice hockey games in hell before doing business with UUnet again. -- Chuck Goolsbee V.P. Technical Operations _________________________________________________________________ digital.forest Phone: +1-877-720-0483, x2001 where Internet solutions grow Int'l: +1-425-483-0483 19515 North Creek Parkway Fax: +1-425-482-6871 Suite 208 http://www.forest.net Bothell, WA 98011 email: cg@forest.net
Their acctg issues are widely known, as well as their 99 pricing in 2001. Hook up with a customer of theirs as a provider and let the provider duke it out with em. A lot of folks like to dual home with Sprint and UUnet, and that solution does get you a lot from a networking perspective. Bri On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, chuck goolsbee wrote:
transit prices have been in free fall, and worldcom has not been following them downward. however, after the cleansing ritual of chapter 11, i think they will be in a fine position to reset their per-megabit charges in ways that make them a compelling transit provider. their network's been great. -- Paul Vixie
Yes, the network is, and always has been great. (well, except for that one little blip a couple of weeks ago...) In our seven year relationship we were always impressed with the the NOC staff and support group at UUnet.
However auditing their invoices was always an exercise in frustration. Circuits that were long-ago cancelled re-appearing time and time again, blatant overcharges, completely incomprehensible account number changes. I used to think it was incompetence or confusion caused by growth and acquisitions (having some personal experience with the latter.) I guess it has been recently revealed as felonious behavior. I'd be a fool to go down that path again.
I'm sorry to say but, I'll be officiating ice hockey games in hell before doing business with UUnet again.
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Chuck Goolsbee V.P. Technical Operations _________________________________________________________________ digital.forest Phone: +1-877-720-0483, x2001 where Internet solutions grow Int'l: +1-425-483-0483 19515 North Creek Parkway Fax: +1-425-482-6871 Suite 208 http://www.forest.net Bothell, WA 98011 email: cg@forest.net
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