Did I miss some discussion about the Beer and Gear surprise? I, personally, feel somewhat cheated that there was no "gear" available from the vendors in attendance. If I had known that there was to be no freebees, I certainly could have went to dinner early and not hung around to look at equipment that I already have seen directly from the vendors. I did not spend money to come out to Atlanta to get hit upon by vendors. If I had wanted to look at vendors, I could have went to some other conferences and spent more time looking at equipment that I won't be recommending for deployment. Without some freebees to draw the nanog conference attendees to the vendors, I don't even see the point of continuing to have the the Beer and Gear part. I have found this on the web site: "In striving to achieve these goals, all tutorials and presentations, including BOF presentations, are reviewed in advance and are limited to those entirely of a general technical nature, explicitly prohibiting material that relates to any specific product or service offerings. For similar reasons, equipment exhibits are limited to the "Beer 'n Gear" sessions, and vendor giveaways are not permitted at any time during the meeting." I'm not sure if there was a vote of the membership, or what, but I had certainly missed it. Does anyone have more information on this? UK --- Opinions in this email are the personal opinions of the author and are not associated with author's employer. This email account is a not the regular email account of the author and is being used for the protection of the employer. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
[ Warning: this message is void of any operational content. ] On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:36:55PM -0600, Ukyo Kuonji wrote:
Did I miss some discussion about the Beer and Gear surprise? I, personally, feel somewhat cheated that there was no "gear" available from the vendors in attendance.
<rumor> Sponsors were specifically asked _not_ to give out clothing, as the Cisco boxer shorts distributed at NANOG 20 were somehow deemed offensive and discriminatory. </rumor> Don't get me wrong, Beer and Gear was definitely time well spent, I just found the "gear" aspect (assuming that's in reference to freebies, not hardware demonstrated by vendors) a bit lacking. ;) Long live free vendorware. -adam
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Sponsors were specifically asked _not_ to give out clothing, as the Cisco boxer shorts distributed at NANOG 20 were somehow deemed offensive and discriminatory.
</rumor>
<fact> At NANOG 20, there was a mad rush from the meeting room before technical talks were over for the day to get to the Beer and Gear to suck up all the vendor trinkets. This was perceived as being astoundingly disrespectful to the people who take the time to put together a presentation and deliver it. </fact> Stephen
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001, Stephen Stuart wrote:
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Sponsors were specifically asked _not_ to give out clothing, as the Cisco boxer shorts distributed at NANOG 20 were somehow deemed offensive and discriminatory.
</rumor>
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At NANOG 20, there was a mad rush from the meeting room before technical talks were over for the day to get to the Beer and Gear to suck up all the vendor trinkets. This was perceived as being astoundingly disrespectful to the people who take the time to put together a presentation and deliver it.
Intelesting. Perhaps for the next nanog meeting a delay of say, 30 minutes could be introducted between the end of a presentation and the beer-n-gear session coupled with the beer-n-gear being shut to prevent trinket rush-hour? On another nanog side-note, congrats to the people running the external realmedia feed this meeting. I was watching it from out here in Amsterdam and the stream was flawless. Besides the obvious camera refocus, etc. :-) adrian -- Adrian Chadd "Romance novel?" <adrian@creative.net.au> "Girl Porn." - http://www.sinfest.net/d/20010202.html
Yes, a specific single person at MERIT found the boxer shourts offensive. In talking with many other people at that NANOG, both male and female, they didn't find the shorts offensive and infact where sought after. Thus a "gray market" in cisco shorts was created, preventing Cisco from taking it in the "shorts". If that has now grown to "vendors can't give anything" out, then its a SAD SAD SAD DAY. I certainly hope those at MERIT will help educate the power to be.. NANOG now has gone Corporate, In fact I am surprised MERIT is sponsoring Beer, I mean someone could get tipsy and have an accident (other than dropping there shorts). It reminds me of those start-ups that have beer thirty on the back loading dock on fridays. They grow, people enjoy hanging out, working hard and having some fun. Then one day someone decides its not "the right image, or something" and the friday 4:30 parties are killed. Its the dawn of Corporate Image and RED TAPE. I seriously hope NANOG doesn't go that way. I mention no names, as to protect the stuffy and the guilty. jmbrown On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 01:13:50AM -0500, Adam Rothschild wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:36:55PM -0600, Ukyo Kuonji wrote:
Did I miss some discussion about the Beer and Gear surprise? I, personally, feel somewhat cheated that there was no "gear" available from the vendors in attendance.
<rumor>
Sponsors were specifically asked _not_ to give out clothing, as the Cisco boxer shorts distributed at NANOG 20 were somehow deemed offensive and discriminatory.
</rumor>
Don't get me wrong, Beer and Gear was definitely time well spent, I just found the "gear" aspect (assuming that's in reference to freebies, not hardware demonstrated by vendors) a bit lacking. ;)
Long live free vendorware.
-adam
> In talking with many other people at that NANOG, > both male and female, they didn't find the shorts offensive and > infact where sought after. zoc-int-brk01#shorts? % Unrecognized command John, _I_ found it offensive. When I need underwear, I damned well go to a department store. I don't go looking for them at a conference. If you're at a conference looking for underwear rather than hoping to exchange clue, I'd suggest you're there for the wrong reason. -Bill
All I want to know is where can I score some of these Cisco boxers? /rmb On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 12:36:07PM -0800, Bill Woodcock said:
> In talking with many other people at that NANOG, > both male and female, they didn't find the shorts offensive and > infact where sought after.
zoc-int-brk01#shorts? % Unrecognized command
John, _I_ found it offensive. When I need underwear, I damned well go to a department store. I don't go looking for them at a conference. If you're at a conference looking for underwear rather than hoping to exchange clue, I'd suggest you're there for the wrong reason.
-Bill
There is an easy solution here. If folks are really incensed about the lack of vendor goodies and/or the level of excitement on certain panels, they can: 1) Volunteer to speak at future NANOG meetings on stuff they feel is more exciting 2) Provide feedback on the survey 3) Buy Merit and run it themselves 4) Turn NANOG into a membership organization run by an elected board. I suggest #1 and #2. If you have lots of money, you could always try #3. #4 is intrigueing, but I doubt the collective will to accomplish it, particularly as this issue is a dearth of vendor supplied undergarments, which, while tragic, is not exactly the sort of cause that folks would rally around. Daniel Golding NetRail,Inc. "Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness" On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, John M . Brown wrote:
Yes, a specific single person at MERIT found the boxer shourts offensive. In talking with many other people at that NANOG, both male and female, they didn't find the shorts offensive and infact where sought after.
Thus a "gray market" in cisco shorts was created, preventing Cisco from taking it in the "shorts".
If that has now grown to "vendors can't give anything" out, then its a SAD SAD SAD DAY.
I certainly hope those at MERIT will help educate the power to be..
NANOG now has gone Corporate, In fact I am surprised MERIT is sponsoring Beer, I mean someone could get tipsy and have an accident (other than dropping there shorts).
It reminds me of those start-ups that have beer thirty on the back loading dock on fridays. They grow, people enjoy hanging out, working hard and having some fun.
Then one day someone decides its not "the right image, or something" and the friday 4:30 parties are killed. Its the dawn of Corporate Image and RED TAPE.
I seriously hope NANOG doesn't go that way.
I mention no names, as to protect the stuffy and the guilty.
jmbrown
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 01:13:50AM -0500, Adam Rothschild wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:36:55PM -0600, Ukyo Kuonji wrote:
Did I miss some discussion about the Beer and Gear surprise? I, personally, feel somewhat cheated that there was no "gear" available from the vendors in attendance.
<rumor>
Sponsors were specifically asked _not_ to give out clothing, as the Cisco boxer shorts distributed at NANOG 20 were somehow deemed offensive and discriminatory.
</rumor>
Don't get me wrong, Beer and Gear was definitely time well spent, I just found the "gear" aspect (assuming that's in reference to freebies, not hardware demonstrated by vendors) a bit lacking. ;)
Long live free vendorware.
-adam
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Ukyo Kuonji wrote: > I'm not sure if there was a vote of the membership, or what, but I had > certainly missed it. Yes, a secret vote of the membership was conducted a couple of weeks ago. All of the results were posted to the members-only web site. If you want to know what atrocities the NANOG membership is going to perpetrate upon you next, I suggest you join immediately. Send cash in small bills to Susan Harris. -Bill
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