Folks, Is there a web site out there that provides a map of the united states showing each ILEC and the states within their region (Bellsouth, SBC, Qwest, & Verizon)? Thanks in advance, Irwin
Irwin Lazar wrote:
Folks, Is there a web site out there that provides a map of the united states showing each ILEC and the states within their region (Bellsouth, SBC, Qwest, & Verizon)?
Huh. That's strangely hard to find. <http://ftp.fcc.gov/oet/info/maps/overlays/> has an old map of the continental U.S. Mapping Verizon by state would be rough... Peter E. Fry
There are something like 25 ILECs in California alone. You would need a very detailed map to show coverage areas. "Peter E. Fry" wrote:
Irwin Lazar wrote:
Folks, Is there a web site out there that provides a map of the united states showing each ILEC and the states within their region (Bellsouth, SBC, Qwest, & Verizon)?
Huh. That's strangely hard to find. <http://ftp.fcc.gov/oet/info/maps/overlays/> has an old map of the continental U.S. Mapping Verizon by state would be rough...
Peter E. Fry
Once upon a time, Roy <garlic@garlic.com> said:
There are something like 25 ILECs in California alone. You would need a very detailed map to show coverage areas.
We got a map from our BellSouth reps of Alabama (with 32 ILECs!). I've been told Alabama has just about the highest number of ILECs of any state (especially for the size), but I don't know if that's true. You might check with your $TELCO rep. -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you are talking about ILECs that include smaller independent telephone companies, I believe Minnesota and Iowa have the highest count. Iowa has around 140 total ILEC companies... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Chris Adams Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:31 PM To: 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: Re: ILEC Map Once upon a time, Roy <garlic@garlic.com> said:
There are something like 25 ILECs in California alone. You would need a very detailed map to show coverage areas.
We got a map from our BellSouth reps of Alabama (with 32 ILECs!). I've been told Alabama has just about the highest number of ILECs of any state (especially for the size), but I don't know if that's true. You might check with your $TELCO rep. - -- Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBPIz6/89/cCqjBxGyEQL/vACglapQGYvkpMZWbKalcf6MtB8rxz4AnRDJ 4ySzcEagkQNY9nxwk7FAmBRZ =HSI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Tony Mumm said:
If you are talking about ILECs that include smaller independent telephone companies, I believe Minnesota and Iowa have the highest count. Iowa has around 140 total ILEC companies...
To be expected. To most folks "REA" meant electricity. But in reality it meant 100's of small co-op telcos as well, with borrowing power that a telco startup needed. While over the years many have sold out to GTE or Citizens, there are lots left. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Folks, Is there a web site out there that provides a map of the united states showing each ILEC and the states within their region (Bellsouth, SBC, Qwest, & Verizon)?
Thanks in advance, Irwin
Here is the map for Ohio: http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/STATEMAP/AC_TelServAreaA.pdf Only 43 ILEC's here... Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 833-3635
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Here is the map for Ohio: http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/STATEMAP/AC_TelServAreaA.pdf
Only 43 ILEC's here...
Mark, I wouldn't expect you to know this, as you don't live in the proper part of the state to know the telco history here. :) But Western Reverse (er, Western Reserve) Telephone and Alltel are listed separately, and Alltel bought out Western Reserve years ago. Alltel has local headquarters out in Hudson, the former home of WRT. I suspect that a lot of states are like this, with the records reflecting more ILECs than actually still exist. Alltel has always done business as Alltel west of Cleveland (for example, in Elyria in Lorain County) but they may still be operating Western Reserve as a separate business unit covering the rural areas south and east of the city.. No big surprises here, really. Ameritech is the ILEC in the big cities, and much of the rest of the state is divvied up between Verizon and Sprint... If I actually had time to research it, I'd love to find out how many of the carriers listed on this PDF are still in business... -- Steve Sobol, Proud Native of the Great Frozen City of Cleveland, Ohio http://www.Cleveland.OH.US/ http://www.TravelCleveland.com/ http://www.LakeCountyOhio.org/ (Where the Snow is Cold but our Hearts Aren't!) CTO, JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, Lake County, OH http://JustThe.net/
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Here is the map for Ohio: http://www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/STATEMAP/AC_TelServAreaA.pdf
Only 43 ILEC's here...
i was under the impresssion that ILECs (incumbent local exchange carriers) were pretty much only the RBOCs (regional bell operating companies) and that CLECs (competitive local exchange carriers) were the other LECs that sprung up after 96'ish? for instance, in PA, i refer to the ILEC as verizon/BA and people like adelphia and intermedia as CLECs. this is a particular hazy defination that has always bugged me, because it seems that no matter who i'm talking to, they use ILEC and CLEC to mean different things. btw, if you one of the people that care about ILECs and CLECs and RBOCs, i'm reading a fascinating/enraging book called "the unofficial biography of the baby bells and infoscandal," by kushnik. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1893539008/ ps. big thanks to steve sobal, i've already filed your email away in my quickie reference folder. deeann m.m. mikula director of operations telerama public access internet http://www.telerama.com * 412.688.3200
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) deeann mikula <deeann@telerama.com> wrote:
i was under the impresssion that ILECs (incumbent local exchange carriers) were pretty much only the RBOCs (regional bell operating companies)
nope. there are numerous ILECs that were never "Regional Bell Operating Companies". GTE is a large example. smaller examples include mom-and-pop operations like Taconic Telephone in Columbia County, NY. there are many, many other small examples. that's why the ILEC counts on a per-state basis can be upwards of 40, as in some of the examples others have given. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
i was under the impresssion that ILECs (incumbent local exchange carriers) were pretty much only the RBOCs (regional bell operating companies) and that CLECs (competitive local exchange carriers) were the other LECs that sprung up after 96'ish?
No, there have always been hundreds of small, non-RBOC phone companies that have been around for years. All of these are considered ILECs, because they have a monopoly in their service area, and predate 1996. Even in Nevada, for example, there are 13 different ILEC phone companies. The top three are Nevada Bell, Verizon and Sprint (in ILEC mode, not IXC mode), but the other 10 are just as much ILECs, and have outside plants ranging from 27,164 lines down to just 138. The RBOCs would have you believe that they have always owned the world, but it just ain't so. -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 http://www.greatbasin.net
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Irwin Lazar wrote:
Folks, Is there a web site out there that provides a map of the united states showing each ILEC and the states within their region (Bellsouth, SBC, Qwest, & Verizon)?
No, but maybe this will help. Verizon is Bell Atlantic + GTE, but GTE covers rural areas in a ton of different states. Used to, anyhow... Bell Atlantic covers the Eastern Seaboard, New England, WV and PA. Due to the GTE merger, however, Verizon has chunks of several large states, including a nice chunk of northern Ohio and several significant pieces of California, including a chunk of the metro Los Angeles area. SBC is SNET [Southern New England Telephone, Connecticut] + Ameritech [Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana] + Pacific Bell [California] + Nevada Bell [duh :)] + Southwestern Bell. Southwestern Bell looks like it covers Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas. (I figured this out by visiting <http://www.sbc.com/public_affairs/regulatory_documents/tariffs/1,5932,281,00.html?pid=-1> and checking out the list of states in which they've filed tarriffs, and eliminating the states that I knew are part of other SBC operating companies.) BellSouth covers the Southeast - AL, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN (according to their web page http://bellsouthcorp.com/whoweare/corp.vtml). If I'm not mistaken, the rest of the continental US is covered by Qwest. Their web site cites WA, OR, ID, MT, WY, ND, SE, NE, MN, IA, UT, CO, AZ and NM as their coverage area. (*counting*) yup, that's 48 states, and I believe Verizon covers Hawaii (former GTE area), and I have absolutely no clue who covers Alaska. The other ILEC of any significant size would be Alltel, but they only cover a few major markets; most of their coverage is in outlying rural areas. (Your timing was good. I happened to be bored a few minutes ago... you gave me something to do...) -- Steve Sobol, Proud Native of the Great Frozen City of Cleveland, Ohio http://www.Cleveland.OH.US/ http://www.TravelCleveland.com/ http://www.LakeCountyOhio.org/ (Where the Snow is Cold but our Hearts Aren't!) CTO, JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, Lake County, OH http://JustThe.net/
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