Could someone from BART get ahold of me off list? Netops/security/ROW team. -Ben
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:41 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
Could someone from BART get ahold of me off list? Netops/security/ROW team.
Matt Groening is unavailable. And why do you want to get in to a fight with him? (unless you think BART and ROW have other well understood meanings within the networking world?) -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber… What are you talking about? -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:16 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:41 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
Could someone from BART get ahold of me off list? Netops/security/ROW team.
Matt Groening is unavailable. And why do you want to get in to a fight with him?
(unless you think BART and ROW have other well understood meanings within the networking world?)
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
I have the song from 'The Simpsons' running through my head right now.... Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:18, Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
What are you talking about?
-Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC ben@6by7.net
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:16 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:41 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote: Could someone from BART get ahold of me off list? Netops/security/ROW team.
Matt Groening is unavailable. And why do you want to get in to a fight with him?
(unless you think BART and ROW have other well understood meanings within the networking world?)
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh. Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco. Have a good weekend all :) -Ben Cannon
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com <mailto:herrin@dirtside.com> bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/ <http://www.dirtside.com/>> <6x7_speedTest.JPG>
You’ll have more luck finding California Dept. of Transportation if you call them “CalTrans” which is what they call themselves. Owen
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:27 , Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh.
Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.
Have a good weekend all :)
-Ben Cannon
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com <mailto:herrin@dirtside.com> bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/ <http://www.dirtside.com/>> <6x7_speedTest.JPG>
No :) BART is Bay Area Rapid Transit, a public transportation system with its own bureaucracy and publicly elected board. Caltrans is a separate State bureaucracy, though it has a big office in the city of Oakland near BART Headquarters. And then there is Caltrain which is the commuter rail that runs down the peninsula. That organization has its own bureaucracy and board, too. Lesson to be learned: don't use obscure acronyms unknown outside a small geographical region :) Owen DeLong wrote:
You’ll have more luck finding California Dept. of Transportation if you call them “CalTrans” which is what they call themselves.> Owen
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:27 , Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh.>> Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.>> Have a good weekend all :)
-Ben Cannon
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…>>> Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.>>>
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?>>> Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us>>> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> <6x7_speedTest.JPG>
S.C.
I mean, did anyone seriously ever confuse BART with Bart Simpson? Or ROW with row? Come on now. On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 1:53 AM Scott Christopher <sc@ottie.org> wrote:
No :)
BART is Bay Area Rapid Transit, a public transportation system with its own bureaucracy and publicly elected board.
Caltrans is a separate State bureaucracy, though it has a big office in the city of Oakland near BART Headquarters.
And then there is Caltrain which is the commuter rail that runs down the peninsula. That organization has its own bureaucracy and board, too.
Lesson to be learned: don't use obscure acronyms unknown outside a small geographical region :)
Owen DeLong wrote:
You’ll have more luck finding California Dept. of Transportation if you call them “CalTrans” which is what they call themselves.
Owen
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:27 , Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh.
Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.
Have a good weekend all :)
-Ben Cannon
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> <6x7_speedTest.JPG>
S.C.
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On Jan 20, 2019, at 01:52 , Scott Christopher <sc@ottie.org> wrote:
No :)
Huh?
BART is Bay Area Rapid Transit, a public transportation system with its own bureaucracy and publicly elected board.
Caltrans is a separate State bureaucracy, though it has a big office in the city of Oakland near BART Headquarters.
I’m quite aware of this. If you’ll note, the thing I was replying to said he was ALSO looking for a good contact within CALDOT. I was pointing out that CALDOT doesn’t call itself CALDOT, but refers to itself as CalTrans.
And then there is Caltrain which is the commuter rail that runs down the peninsula. That organization has its own bureaucracy and board, too.
Sure, but I’m not sure how that suddenly became relevant to the conversation.
Lesson to be learned: don't use obscure acronyms unknown outside a small geographical region :)
Well, I think calling any of the above terms “obscure” is a bit of a stretch. I would agree that they are not widely known outside of California and that the level of common knowledge may decrease with distance from the immediate SF Bay Area. However, referring to them as obscure when I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who has ever spent more than 2 weeks i the bay area that isn’t familiar with them seems a bit of an exaggeration. Owen
Owen DeLong wrote:
You’ll have more luck finding California Dept. of Transportation if you call them “CalTrans” which is what they call themselves.
Owen
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:27 , Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>> wrote:
HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh.
Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.
Have a good weekend all :)
-Ben Cannon
On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com <mailto:herrin@dirtside.com> bill@herrin.us <mailto:bill@herrin.us> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/ <http://www.dirtside.com/>> <6x7_speedTest.JPG>
S.C.
I mean, it’s the first hit in this thing we have at work called Google. http://bfy.tw/JYgG :) -Ben
On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
agree
Owen DeLong wrote:
I’m quite aware of this. If you’ll note, the thing I was replying to said he was ALSO looking for a good contact within CALDOT. My bad - I didn't read this thread thoroughly.
But my email client is at fault too... it hid all the quoted text under a button "Show quoted text" because you top-posted, so I didn't see any context. I'm filing a bug report. /me ducks and taps out S.C.
On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:25 , William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>> wrote:
I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…
Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.
If the person he was looking for was on here, they would have understood it without the additional details. Indeed, ANYONE in the state of California probably got his meaning. Certainly anyone in the SF Bay area understood.
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Could be amusing, perhaps an event some people would buy tickets to as a source of revenue. I agree that it’s worth considering the breadth of the audience you are posting to when deciding how much to abbreviate your message. However, it’s not unusual for people to fail to do that. Owen
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon wrote:
What are you talking about?
Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?
Here, here… first thought BART private aviation software package (http://seagilbart.com), then thought BART Simpson (and then about Matt Groening, however you pronounce his name) , then though a Google search was the best answer. Either way that FWIW that was a long drive, to get the left coast. Q. Marshall --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been scanned for email related threats and delivered safely by Mimecast. For more information please visit http://www.mimecast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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