RE: Calling all NANOG'ers - idea for national hardware price quote registry
-----Original Message----- From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:ras@e-gerbil.net]
Obviously no one is wasting their time sueing you if your company leaks the price of a low-end router to one or two of your neighbors, it isn't worth the price of the lawyers, and it isn't easy to prove. In cases of larger companies with an employee who leaks the data, they simply apply political pressure to have the employee fired. But if you were to start publishing this data in any large scale, and especially if it even impacted one of the cash-cow sales mentioned above, they would come down on you like the hammer of the gods. :)
I'll state it again: this will be the beauty of a purely anonymous system. Think about it. How is anyone going to be able to prove: a) the quote was in fact from a particular company (sure, it may look darn similar - but prove? and if you're really worried, fudge some details a bit) - sure, if it's a $10 million quote that's one thing. But say a $150,000 quote? Those are garden variety, least where I'm from (bay area, California). b) who leaked it? it's completely anonymous. Think of all the 'senior government' officials that leak info all the time. Often times they're expressly forbidden from doing so and somehow the word still gets out. Very rarely is someone nailed for it. And that's hardly anonymous if push came to shove. Now I fully realize that it's not a light matter to put ones job on the line for this. However, I doubt, that in most cases, someone would get fired for a first time offense. And, if worried, start with something small. Bottom line is, the system's never been tested - anonymously. Who knows what would happen? It's all essentially speculation until it's tried. Matt
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 03:37:08PM -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
a) the quote was in fact from a particular company (sure, it may look darn similar - but prove? and if you're really worried, fudge some details a bit) - sure, if it's a $10 million quote that's one thing. But say a $150,000 quote? Those are garden variety, least where I'm from (bay area, California).
Well, httpd style logs will certainly "tell" where the information came from.
b) who leaked it? it's completely anonymous. Think of all the 'senior government' officials that leak info all the time. Often times they're expressly forbidden from doing so and somehow the word still gets out. Very rarely is someone nailed for it. And that's hardly anonymous if push came to shove.
Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from it's discovery. Btw, this is why froogle.google.com and pricewatch.com exist. Although, they do not include list prices for the types of items you are looking for. charles
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Matt Bazan wrote: Now I fully realize that it's not a light matter to put ones job on the line for this. However, I doubt, that in most cases, someone would get fired for a first time offense. And, if worried, start with something small. Bottom line is, the system's never been tested - anonymously. Who knows what would happen? It's all essentially speculation until it's tried. And I am risking my career for you because...? --matt@snark.net------------------------------------------<darwin>< The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
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Charles Gucker
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Matt Bazan
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Matt Ghali