On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Rajendra G. Kulkarni wrote:
http://computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,76000,00.html
I don't think anyone is skeptical that fundamentalist muslims would try internet attacks, what I think people are skeptical of is bakri's claim that "There are millions of Muslims around the world involved in hacking the Pentagon and Israeli government sites". Of course the gullible media is just eating all this up. They love stories that can be used to whip up internet hysteria. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-]
Thus spake "Dan Hollis" <goemon@anime.net>
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Rajendra G. Kulkarni wrote:
http://computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,76000,00.html
I don't think anyone is skeptical that fundamentalist muslims would try internet attacks, what I think people are skeptical of is bakri's claim that "There are millions of Muslims around the world involved in hacking the Pentagon and Israeli government sites".
I'm not skeptical that millions of starving Arabs living in caves or being slaughtered by their dictators are going to find computers, connect to the Net (outlawed by their leaders), and attack us. What I'm skeptical of is that this threat is remotely comparable to another AS7007 incident caused by some half-asleep NOC engineer in the US making a typo or other random clueless mistake. Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. S
Most Muslims are not Arab, or living in caves. There are certainly millions of Muslim computer users, by now. In fact, I'd bet there are more than a million Muslim computer users in the US alone. Most Muslims, thank God, are not murderous fanatics or computer abusers. But it would be quite foolish to underestimate the capability of any large group, sufficiently motivated, to inflict massive damage. On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 07:40:14PM -0600, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
I'm not skeptical that millions of starving Arabs living in caves or being slaughtered by their dictators are going to find computers, connect to the Net (outlawed by their leaders), and attack us.
-- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net.
Barney Wolff wrote: ... But it would be quite foolish to underestimate the capability of any large group, sufficiently motivated, to inflict massive damage.
I agree. Never underestimate power of a fringe lunatic group to cause harm. Now, I am going to go out on a thin limb and ask the following: When Experts say, "don't dismiss cyberattack warning," what can somebody like me (just a regular user) or for that matter others with several degrees of better knowledge in the workings of cyber networks than I, do to stop cyber attacks from happening? -raj kulkarni ================================
Most Muslims are not Arab, or living in caves. There are certainly millions of Muslim computer users, by now. In fact, I'd bet there are more than a million Muslim computer users in the US alone.
Most Muslims, thank God, are not murderous fanatics or computer abusers. But it would be quite foolish to underestimate the capability of any large group, sufficiently motivated, to inflict massive damage.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 07:40:14PM -0600, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
I'm not skeptical that millions of starving Arabs living in caves or being slaughtered by their dictators are going to find computers, connect to the Net (outlawed by their leaders), and attack us.
-- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net.
Rajendra G. Kulkarni wrote:
I agree. Never underestimate power of a fringe lunatic group to cause harm. Now, I am going to go out on a thin limb and ask the following: When Experts say, "don't dismiss cyberattack warning," what can somebody like me (just a regular user) or for that matter others with several degrees of better knowledge in the workings of cyber networks than I, do to stop cyber attacks from happening?
I think the real question (at least for NANOG members) is not whether terrorists are ready willing and able to to launch attacks against networks. It should be obvious that they are. The real question is whether those attacks will be any worse than the attacks from other sources that have been hitting our networks on a regular basis for the past several years. Are these terrorists actually trying to figure out ways to crack Windows, Linux, IOS and other popular operating systems or are they just downloading the same software that the script kiddies are already using? -- David
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