Perhaps it might be helpful to read how some folks on the outside view the state of the Internet industry. http://www.ncs.gov/n5_hp/Information_Assurance/PSN-A97.htm Just for grins the President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Comittee has established a working group on Internet outages. You all did get your invitiations, didn't you? http://www.ncs.gov/n5_hp/Information_Assurance/IO.htm A person asked my how I define 'tiny tykes.' Let me ask a hypothetical question. Do you think I could get 100 ISPs to sign up for this? Each contribute $25,000/annually to establish a out-of-band communication system between all the participating network operation centers. This may simply be a 'bat' phone with a really obnoxious ringer in the middle of their NOC connected via nationwide system which doesn't rely on IP, ATM, or SS7 to enable the NOCs coordinate/communicate when everything else goes to hell. In a previous life I knew this as a 'squawk box' which traders used worldwide. There have already been cases (plural, more than one) where you could not reach a provider's NOC because they obtained their 1-800 service from the same network provider supplying their network facilities, and the same event took out both. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation
Sean Donelan writes:
establish a out-of-band communication system [...] connected via nationwide system which doesn't rely on IP, ATM, or SS7
I'm not sure where you'd find such a beast anymore. Maybe an SS7 and an Iridium system, side-by-side, would do the trick.
Sean Donelan writes:
establish a out-of-band communication system [...] connected via nationwide system which doesn't rely on IP, ATM, or SS7
I'm not sure where you'd find such a beast anymore. Maybe an SS7 and an Iridium system, side-by-side, would do the trick.
HF radio, more likely. Those of you without roof-rights, you better ask building management about getting same for the triband beam.... Let's see, we can put in 3 big stations: one in an old mill in the Boston area, another in Arlington VA, and a third at ihnp4.. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
David Lesher <wb8foz@nrk.com> wrote:
HF radio, more likely. Those of you without roof-rights, you better ask building management about getting same for the triband beam....
Let's see, we can put in 3 big stations: one in an old mill in the Boston area, another in Arlington VA, and a third at ihnp4..
The old Digital corporate headquarters - an old mill in Maynard, MA, outside Boston - has been unused for years. For that matter, the current Digital corporate headquarters in Maynard might be freeing up soon :-), and it's even on a "hill." Stephen - ----- Stephen Stuart <stuart@tech.org>
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, David Lesher wrote:
Let's see, we can put in 3 big stations: one in an old mill in the Boston area, another in Arlington VA, and a third at ihnp4..
Explain, please. The first sounds like where DEC started out. Is the second MAE-East? And while I recognize ihnp4 as one of the central UUCP nodes I never knew what or where it was. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
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Let's see, we can put in 3 big stations: one in an old mill in the Boston area, another in Arlington VA, and a third at ihnp4..
Explain, please. The first sounds like where DEC started out. Is the second MAE-East? And while I recognize ihnp4 as one of the central UUCP nodes I never knew what or where it was.
Sigh.... {To stop the flood of "huh?" email} Several googlebytes ago, there was no "Net" but rather a loose confederation of UUCP-linked sites. They called each other up with dial-up phone lines and {gasp} modems every night and swapped mail and netnews. But to reach someone, you had to go though someone else. The big three Someone's were: decvax, at the Old Mill [DEC Hq] in Medford seismo; the Center for Seismic Studies [whose interest was not earthquakes, but nuclear explosions..] run by a guy named Rick Adams. ihnp4; Indian Point, a Bell System [remember THAT?] plant in Illinois, or was it Indiana... Thus my comment was a backhand way of saying "The more things change..." -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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