Re: New Peering Point Mailing Lists
On Sun, 08 October 2000, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
There doesn't seem to be any mailing lists existing specifically for the public Peering Points. So, I've created a few.
In my experience every public peering point has a mailing list associated with it. I've been subscribed to mailing lists for mae-east, mae-west, all the NAPs with address space managed by Bill Manning and ISI. I'm less familar with mailing lists for XPs outside the US, but most also have a mailing list associated with each exchange point. Sometimes the XP operator makes a big deal of only allowing certain people to subscribe to their list. But it is rarely difficult to find a member willing to forward messages. I'm subscribed to relatively few lists now, but I have messages forwarded to me all the time. I would prefer to subscribe directly, if only so I could manage my aliases better. But I understand a long time ago the XP operator promised its membership it would only allow other members to subscribe to the list, so now they feel they can't change the rules.
Correct. I've created this list because in asking around a bit there wasn't a resource for public discussions for those not currently in the exchanges, and people seemed to not know where to post questions to. (inet-access, nanog, isp-lists, etc). They're not necessarily just for NANOG type 'outage' messages, but for general discussion on people looking for peers, finding out how much it costs for a cable run, who to contact for info, and other general chit-chat about the points. Jeff On 8 Oct 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:
Date: 8 Oct 2000 22:11:12 -0700 From: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: New Peering Point Mailing Lists
On Sun, 08 October 2000, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
There doesn't seem to be any mailing lists existing specifically for the public Peering Points. So, I've created a few.
In my experience every public peering point has a mailing list associated with it. I've been subscribed to mailing lists for mae-east, mae-west, all the NAPs with address space managed by Bill Manning and ISI. I'm less familar with mailing lists for XPs outside the US, but most also have a mailing list associated with each exchange point.
Sometimes the XP operator makes a big deal of only allowing certain people to subscribe to their list. But it is rarely difficult to find a member willing to forward messages. I'm subscribed to relatively few lists now, but I have messages forwarded to me all the time. I would prefer to subscribe directly, if only so I could manage my aliases better. But I understand a long time ago the XP operator promised its membership it would only allow other members to subscribe to the list, so now they feel they can't change the rules.
In my experience every public peering point has a mailing list associated with it.
Indeed, but they tend to be related to operational issues (at least for the few I'm on).
I'm less familar with mailing lists for XPs outside the US, but most also have a mailing list associated with each exchange point.
Certainly LINX and LoNAP in London do. Where I see benefit in having independant lists about NAPs (in general, I think it's a bit premature to have separate lists for each NAP) if for gaining preliminary information about the NAP, for those people considering joining. Whilst looking around for NAPs to join, the biggest problem I've found is gauging opinion of which are/aren't good NAPs, and also finding out any real information about the NAPs - including how to join them. The NAPs I've looked at so far have quite a range of information: - No information/very hard to find: e.g. SprintNAP (I've found the ones run by telcos to be the worst) - Some information, but sketchy and looks out of date, no contact information: e.g. MAE (although they seem to be updating it again now) - More information, but "email us if you want more details": e.g. LoNAP (www.lonap.net) - Fairly well documented: e.g. LINX (www.linx.net) - full information including joining criteria/costs, member list, architecture, etc. Perhaps there is some merit (and this is something I've discussed Jeffrey Meltzer already) is expanding on Bill Manning's efforts to collect together a list of all the NAPs, and include basic information on architecture, location, costs, general information, etc for each of the NAPs. Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
Perhaps there is some merit (and this is something I've discussed Jeffrey Meltzer already) is expanding on Bill Manning's efforts to collect together a list of all the NAPs, and include basic information on architecture, location, costs, general information, etc for each of the NAPs.
Simon
There was some effort started at the last RIPE mtg to ensure that (at least for the European Exchanges) this data was collected and made available online. There are some issues with making such data available for US exchanges and I've not heard back about Asian ones yet. I expect that at least for the Euro sites, we will have online in the very near future the types of data you are looking for. --bill
There was some effort started at the last RIPE mtg to ensure that (at least for the European Exchanges) this data was collected and made available online. There are some issues with making such data available for US exchanges and I've not heard back about Asian ones yet.
I sometimes find it hard to comprehend the attitude of some suppliers. "Yes, we've got a service, that we might be able to sell to you, but we can't publicly tell you anything about it". If the supplier doesn't wish to make that information public themselves, then I don't see that there can be a problem with their customers publicly saying how much they're paying/where they're connected/etc, as long as their contract with said supplier doesn't contain an NDA covering such information.
I expect that at least for the Euro sites, we will have online in the very near future the types of data you are looking for.
That would be very useful, thanks! Simon -- Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 (0)1737 839676 Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 (0)1737 839516 BBC Internet Services | Email: Simon.Lockhart@bbc.co.uk Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: http://support.bbc.co.uk/
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