Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
I pay $36/mo for my aDSL. $50 _more_ sounds a lot.
rest assured, some of the mail i've received in response to this has even lower price points. several have described service businesses which amount to virtual linux or shell/imap/smarthost but i havn't decided whether to include all of those categories in my results.
... it's the geeky thing to do, what does it change in the big scheme ...?
it's a vision thing. i like the idea of responsible 1U-owners extending their digital footprint to all parts of the globe. most domestic residences don't have UPS, backup generator, or high speed IP with static global addresses. and there is no reason to try to solve that problem given the way-more-efficient 1U colo model. $50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full. after paying for 60A of power and 50Mbits/sec of transit and whatever the rack rents for, the provider's gross margin will be between 25% and 50%, out of which they have to pay salaries. as a standalone business this makes no sense, but at scale or as part of another business, $50/month @1U is just about right.
An alternative to the question of 1U colo for this purpose is simply purchasing authenticated SMTP service. With the blocking of DSL/etc netblocks being more and more common, they're popping up everywhere, both with and without decent abuse desks. I'm biased, of course, since I /am/ the abuse desk for ours, but it's out there, and it's $14.95/year for 150 relays per day. See http://www.dyndns.org/services/mailhop/outbound/ for details of our service that does this - plenty of other DDNS providers have been adding their own, as well as more "normal" mail players. It's likely to be cheaper than a 1U server colo'd somewhere, if you're using that server exclusively for SMTP relay, and it doesn't require as much SMTP clue to set up properly. And at least in our case, we make darned sure that our servers don't get abused, and thus don't get stuck on blacklists. Tim Wilde -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.org Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.org/
Looking for opinions and experience on Telias IP network performance within Europe and out of Europe i.e. North America on the whole.. Thanks in advance for your time. Regards -Shazad
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Shazad wrote:
Looking for opinions and experience on Telias IP network performance within Europe and out of Europe i.e. North America on the whole.. Thanks in advance for your time.
I like them, only had one issue in over a year which was localised to the PE router I plug into (linecard failure or something..) Theyre very well peered and engineered in Europe, I'm less familiar with their US setup but thats primarily where my traffic is going and it gets their just fine :) [Peter, fwd my commission cheque to the usual address thx ;) ] Steve
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Shazad wrote:
Looking for opinions and experience on Telias IP network performance within Europe and out of Europe i.e. North America on the whole.. Thanks in advance for your time.
We recently moved our London DNS site from Rackspace to Telia and have had no problems with their network. Excellent RTTs into Germany and the rest of Europe, no problem connecting back to our main site in Boston. Tim Wilde -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.org Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.org/
They are one of the best providers in Russia (and when I was there, in Europe). I visited their NOC in Stokholm about 5 years ago, they used very effective _common sense_ approach , combining brand names with brandless when it is more effective, using both commercial and home made opensource software. I do not know about USA, this (USA) is another world (with another marketing, support habits etc). PS. It is interesting, how Teleglob is positioned today? They was first, who came to Russia about 7 years ago, but then they lost their position to Telia (may be, I am wrong). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Wilde" <twilde@dyndns.org> To: "Shazad" <shazad@eservers.biz> Cc: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Telia...
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Shazad wrote:
Looking for opinions and experience on Telias IP network performance
within
Europe and out of Europe i.e. North America on the whole.. Thanks in advance for your time.
We recently moved our London DNS site from Rackspace to Telia and have had no problems with their network. Excellent RTTs into Germany and the rest of Europe, no problem connecting back to our main site in Boston.
Tim Wilde
-- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.org Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.org/
paul, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vixie" <paul@vix.com> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? -- snip --
$50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full. after paying for 60A of power and 50Mbits/sec of transit and whatever the rack rents for, the provider's gross margin will be between 25% and 50%, out of which they have to pay salaries. as a standalone business this makes no sense, but at scale or as part of another business, $50/month @1U is just about right.
according to your calculations, 1U + 1.5 breakered amps + 1 Mb/s should cost us $25 to $37.50 to provide. care to share where that is? paul
according to your calculations, 1U + 1.5 breakered amps + 1 Mb/s should cost us $25 to $37.50 to provide. care to share where that is?
i'll publish an initial list of responses tomorrow (sunday) if possible. note that those numbers only work at scale (when you have lots of racks and/or are doing lots of other business.) as a standalone business this would almost never work out. -- Paul Vixie
it's a vision thing. i like the idea of responsible 1U-owners extending their digital footprint to all parts of the globe. most domestic residences don't have UPS, backup generator, or high speed IP with static global addresses. and there is no reason to try to solve that problem given the way-more-efficient 1U colo model.
On the other hand, if the person doesn't have a UPS at home, what good is when their SMTP server in a colo is still chugging? :) Rob Nelson ronelson@vt.edu
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Rob Nelson wrote:
On the other hand, if the person doesn't have a UPS at home, what good is when their SMTP server in a colo is still chugging? :)
Just because my power is out at home doesn't mean I don't have net access. With the colo server collecting mail you can SSH into it and still review messages. Don't forget those who have access at work, a laptop with wireless, and cell phones/modems. Plus when the power comes back you can force the queue to dump to your home machine and you don't need to wait for all of the other servers to retry their queues in xx minutes. Andrew (another VT person) --- <zerocool@netpath.net> http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself."
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