Five bucks gets you a home network
The toaster (which is running NetBSD) and the refrigerator are networked using the IPv6 mantra. So if DSL and Cable companies find that they can sell IPv6 to kitchen appliences at $5 per houshold, you think this could lead to deployment? So my new IPv6 cell phone can get an SMS from my refrigerator if the milk is going bad. Now $5 if it also does fire and burgler alarm functions, it is cheaper than a phone line. If I get $5 dollars from a million users ... hmmmm. Don't forget gamers and peer to peer networking. On Thursday, 31 January 2002 08:29 -0800 Jim Shankland <nanog@shankland.org> wrote:
Andy Walden <andy@tigerteam.net> writes:
... reading through Commcast's AUP doesn't reveal this policy either. I think it was largely trollbait.
Could be. But AT&T Broadband out here just resent its terms of service with the monthly bill, and stated that it's strictly prohibited to attach more than one device to the cable service. They reminded their customers that a second IP address is available for an extra $5/month.
I suppose one could get lawyerly and argue that you *are* attaching a single device -- the NAT box -- to their network; other devices are merely attached to the NAT box. But I don't think that was their intent.
Whether this pricing model is enforceable aside, it is also in direct conflict with the projection that some day soon, the refrigerator, the hot tub, the stove, the stereo, the room thermostat, the garage door opener, etc. will all be IP-addressable. I'll be damned if I'll spend an extra $5/month for my refrigerator to surf the web, and I'll bet I'm not alone :-).
Jim Shankland
-- Joseph T. Klein jtk@titania.net
Or you could just get your IPv6 /64 prefix (18 trillion trillion trillion addresses) for free using any one of the free IPv6 tunnel brokers. Hurricane runs a free IPv6 tunnel broker at http://tunnelbroker.com It would be a bizzare twist of fate that if by quashing regular NAT the cable companies sped up IPv6 adoption. Mike. On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Joseph T. Klein wrote:
The toaster (which is running NetBSD) and the refrigerator are networked using the IPv6 mantra. So if DSL and Cable companies find that they can sell IPv6 to kitchen appliences at $5 per houshold, you think this could lead to deployment?
So my new IPv6 cell phone can get an SMS from my refrigerator if the milk is going bad.
Now $5 if it also does fire and burgler alarm functions, it is cheaper than a phone line.
If I get $5 dollars from a million users ... hmmmm.
Don't forget gamers and peer to peer networking.
On Thursday, 31 January 2002 08:29 -0800 Jim Shankland <nanog@shankland.org> wrote:
Andy Walden <andy@tigerteam.net> writes:
... reading through Commcast's AUP doesn't reveal this policy either. I think it was largely trollbait.
Could be. But AT&T Broadband out here just resent its terms of service with the monthly bill, and stated that it's strictly prohibited to attach more than one device to the cable service. They reminded their customers that a second IP address is available for an extra $5/month.
I suppose one could get lawyerly and argue that you *are* attaching a single device -- the NAT box -- to their network; other devices are merely attached to the NAT box. But I don't think that was their intent.
Whether this pricing model is enforceable aside, it is also in direct conflict with the projection that some day soon, the refrigerator, the hot tub, the stove, the stereo, the room thermostat, the garage door opener, etc. will all be IP-addressable. I'll be damned if I'll spend an extra $5/month for my refrigerator to surf the web, and I'll bet I'm not alone :-).
Jim Shankland
-- Joseph T. Klein jtk@titania.net
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Mike, Your down on Bill's list as one of the peering coordinators. We are just getting to some of the more popular peer points. We should talk. We are do about 2.5 gig in aggregate so some traffic must come from and go to HE. I need to talk with you as peering coordinator. --On Thursday, 31 January 2002 11:50 -0800 Mike Leber <mleber@he.net> wrote:
Or you could just get your IPv6 /64 prefix (18 trillion trillion trillion addresses) for free using any one of the free IPv6 tunnel brokers. Hurricane runs a free IPv6 tunnel broker at http://tunnelbroker.com
It would be a bizzare twist of fate that if by quashing regular NAT the cable companies sped up IPv6 adoption.
Mike.
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Joseph T. Klein wrote:
The toaster (which is running NetBSD) and the refrigerator are networked using the IPv6 mantra. So if DSL and Cable companies find that they can sell IPv6 to kitchen appliences at $5 per houshold, you think this could lead to deployment?
So my new IPv6 cell phone can get an SMS from my refrigerator if the milk is going bad.
Now $5 if it also does fire and burgler alarm functions, it is cheaper than a phone line.
If I get $5 dollars from a million users ... hmmmm.
Don't forget gamers and peer to peer networking.
On Thursday, 31 January 2002 08:29 -0800 Jim Shankland <nanog@shankland.org> wrote:
Andy Walden <andy@tigerteam.net> writes:
... reading through Commcast's AUP doesn't reveal this policy either. I think it was largely trollbait.
Could be. But AT&T Broadband out here just resent its terms of service with the monthly bill, and stated that it's strictly prohibited to attach more than one device to the cable service. They reminded their customers that a second IP address is available for an extra $5/month.
I suppose one could get lawyerly and argue that you *are* attaching a single device -- the NAT box -- to their network; other devices are merely attached to the NAT box. But I don't think that was their intent.
Whether this pricing model is enforceable aside, it is also in direct conflict with the projection that some day soon, the refrigerator, the hot tub, the stove, the stereo, the room thermostat, the garage door opener, etc. will all be IP-addressable. I'll be damned if I'll spend an extra $5/month for my refrigerator to surf the web, and I'll bet I'm not alone :-).
Jim Shankland
-- Joseph T. Klein jtk@titania.net
+------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 | | mleber@he.net http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
-- Joseph T. Klein +1 414 628 3380 Senior Network Engineer jtk@titania.net Adelphia Business Solutions jtk@adelphiacom.net "... the true value of the Internet is its connectedness ..." -- John W. Stewart III
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