RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
--- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. ----------------------------------------- I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer. scott
Allocations, not IPs. And yes if they are reasonably static an excel spreadsheet can go higher. Mack -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days? --- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. ----------------------------------------- I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer. scott E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6. Stacy
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> wrote:
Allocations, not IPs. And yes if they are reasonably static an excel spreadsheet can go higher.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
--- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com>
If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. -----------------------------------------
I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
scott E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'. It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'. Mack -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgoddess@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM To: McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> Cc: surfer@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days? If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6. Stacy
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> wrote:
Allocations, not IPs. And yes if they are reasonably static an excel spreadsheet can go higher.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
--- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com>
If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. -----------------------------------------
I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
scott E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
Google Docs =D (Just to be annoying). ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 On 06/12/18 13:17, McBride, Mack wrote:
Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'. It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgoddess@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM To: McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> Cc: surfer@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6. Stacy
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> wrote:
Allocations, not IPs. And yes if they are reasonably static an excel spreadsheet can go higher.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
--- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com>
If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. -----------------------------------------
I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
scott E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
Better than excel at "Two People Editing Lane" Mack -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Alain Hebert Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days? Google Docs =D (Just to be annoying). ----- Alain Hebert ahebert@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 On 06/12/18 13:17, McBride, Mack wrote:
Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'. It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgoddess@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM To: McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> Cc: surfer@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6. Stacy
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com> wrote:
Allocations, not IPs. And yes if they are reasonably static an excel spreadsheet can go higher.
Mack
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
--- C-Mack.McBride@charter.com wrote: From: "McBride, Mack" <C-Mack.McBride@charter.com>
If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4. -----------------------------------------
I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years. So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
scott E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
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sorry, but nano4lyfe! On 6/12/18 2:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> said:
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6. emacs! vim!
Device42. https://www.device42.com/ On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:53 AM Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net> wrote:
Once upon a time, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> said:
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6.
emacs!
vim! -- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> said:
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6.
emacs!
vim!
ed!
On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> said:
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6.
emacs!
vim!
ed!
Butterflies!
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 06:29:12PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote:
On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> said:
If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, so very sorry. Especially when it comes to v6.
emacs!
vim!
ed!
TECO!
Can we please stop spamming the list with this crap now?
On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net> wrote:
On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> emacs! vim! ed! TECO! cat IBM 029.
Youngster. IBM 026.
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net> wrote:
On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> emacs! vim! ed! TECO! cat IBM 029.
Youngster. IBM 026.
Infants! Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
Thank you everyone for all of your input. I’ve decided to use a papyrus scroll with kosher ink for my IPAM. I’ll let y’all know how it goes. Thanks again. -Mike
On Jun 12, 2018, at 20:43, Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Stephen Satchell <list@satchell.net> wrote:
On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>> emacs! > vim! ed! TECO! cat IBM 029.
Youngster. IBM 026.
Infants! Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:25:47AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>>> emacs! >> vim! > ed! TECO! cat IBM 029. Youngster. IBM 026. Infants! Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
but i actually do use emacs
For IP address management, I use a homebrew Perl web application that is a front end to a postgres database and allows entry, update, deletion and display. There is a 'C' program which acts as a back end, and builds the Bind zone files and the dhcp table from the contents of the database when there is a change in the DB, as sampled every 15 minutes. There is also a batch update program to make multiple changes to the database when that becomes necessary. - Brian
PHP/Mysql app we wrote a while back for this purpose. Support v4/v6 and we like it :) https://github.com/seankndy/subnetsmngr <https://github.com/seankndy/subnetsmngr> Jeremy
On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Brian Kantor <Brian@ampr.org <mailto:Brian@ampr.org>> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:25:47AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>>>> emacs! >>> vim! >> ed! > TECO! cat IBM 029. Youngster. IBM 026. Infants! Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
but i actually do use emacs
For IP address management, I use a homebrew Perl web application that is a front end to a postgres database and allows entry, update, deletion and display. There is a 'C' program which acts as a back end, and builds the Bind zone files and the dhcp table from the contents of the database when there is a change in the DB, as sampled every 15 minutes. There is also a batch update program to make multiple changes to the database when that becomes necessary. - Brian
Stone tablets are far superior when using rfc2549 networks. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Paul Ebersman Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:54 AM To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
emacs! vim! ed! TECO! cat
IPAM? Meh. Why bother? It's all there in your router/switch configs if you need to check it. E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited.
On 13 June 2018 at 13:54, Paul Ebersman <list-nanog2@dragon.net> wrote:
IPAM? Meh.
Why bother?
So true - when customers want their IP details why should I, the person they are paying to track this information, spend time looking-up the info they reqeust?! I normally set them up with a login to the core and tell them "look it up yourself you lazy git!". For those that actually believe in "IPAMs" - this is misnomer phrase these days (has been for ages). If you want to do stuff at scale you need a "number" tracking system or "abstract resource that is being 0 and 4096 or between 1 and 65535" etc. We assign VLANs, stacks of VLANs, MPLS labels, stacks of MPLS labels, IPv4 addresses, IPv6 addresses, VPN IDs (pseudowires, VPLS etc.), route targets, route distinguishers, ASNs, logical interface IDs, physical interfaces, and so on. They are all finite resources in the network and all "just numbers". I have made many experiances of people putting a lot of effort into tracking IP addresses only and none of other stuff. I don't know why more people aren't asking for recommendations for a "resource tracker" [1]. Cheers, James. [1] Resource tracker != CMDB.
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