Re: links on the blink (fwd)
At 2:48 PM 11/4/95, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Hans-Werner Braun wrote:
Just let me ask you, as a customer who fairly frequently experiences 10% packet loss between major Internet locations across major service providers (no mom and pop shops in the middle or at the end points), how would you suggest I deal with that?
Uh... Ignore it? 10% packet loss is quite within the normal range of parameters for a packet switching network such as the Internet.
Sorry Michael, wrong answer. 1% packet loss is intolerable. 10% packet loss is all but useless for serious work.
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Ross Veach wrote:
At 2:48 PM 11/4/95, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Hans-Werner Braun wrote:
Just let me ask you, as a customer who fairly frequently experiences 10% packet loss between major Internet locations across major service providers (no mom and pop shops in the middle or at the end points), how would you suggest I deal with that?
Uh... Ignore it? 10% packet loss is quite within the normal range of parameters for a packet switching network such as the Internet.
Sorry Michael, wrong answer. 1% packet loss is intolerable. 10% packet loss is all but useless for serious work.
My experience is different. I have use the web through MAE-East during periods of 18-23% packet loss and it was noticeable but not unbearable. I have also used telnet sessions to London England with 50% packet loss and it was still useable although less bearable, but what made it easier to accept was that I was not just on a frivolous telnet session. I was doing real work and I had a deadline to meet. In fact, I once had to do some repair on a news server over a telnet link on which it would take between 2 - 5 minutes to receive a response from typed commands. EXCRUCIATING! But I was still able to fix the problem and get the server running over the course of a couple of hours and I managed to read a magazine while waiting for turnaround. That was when we were connected to INSINC/Sprint Canada and had to route through MAE-East and then ANS to bet to BC-Tel and my customer in a town not far from me. My impression is that North American network performance has improved overall since the NAPS came onstream and NSF went bye bye. I would like it to be better but I see no evidence of incompetence or malice causing these problems. My opinion of the complainers is that they are swell headed bigots with their minds full of the 21st century who fail to realize that the level of today's network technology is about the same level of automotive technology when Model T Fords first started to roll off the assembly lines. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-542-4130 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com
My opinion of the complainers is that they are swell headed bigots with their minds full of the 21st century who fail to realize that the level of today's network technology is about the same level of automotive technology when Model T Fords first started to roll off the assembly lines.
You don't get it, do you? Ross Veach and I have been working in this environment for many years. I was a PI for the NSFNET backbone, and Ross was one of our major collaborators. I forgive you your newbie mentality, but please forgive us that after bringing the Internet over the last ten years from a network research environment to a state that was attractive enough to private industry to get it delivered on a silver plate, that we would at least like the service qualities we worked so hard on achieving. My hope was that you guys would do better than we did, and provide a ubiquitous high quality network (we did high quality, but not ubiquitous). Are you going to get to work and fix it, or continue to screw it up and whine around about the heat in the kitchen? Your choice.
Mike, I spent two years fighting the devils on the original NSFnet backbone, and have rugburns on my backside from sleeping next to my workstation to prove it. I use the US/UK path every working day trying to conduct business and, like you, manage to keep up with my technical field between keystrokes. This is not what they pay me for. I am an expert Morse operator and have even worked interactive programs in that archaic mode. I submit we are both beyond such gross and inefficient uses of our expensive time and have much better things to do than mount parallel ftp sessions hoping one of them will succeed in transfering a 30-Kbyte file from Cambridge to Cambirdge before timing out. Wrong example. Dave
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