It never ceases to amaze me that some companies will move forward with actions that they know will give them a horrible reputation. Does the potential for short-term financial gain outweigh the benefits of a good long-term reputation? Verisign, SCO, and Postini come to mind as examples.
I can't stand the current spam filtering/AV email service that we use right now (Mailwatch...ugh.), but should we change to Postini--a supposedly superior service--knowing how slimy some of their actions have been? That's a rhetorical question, of course, but I think it makes the point. I prefer to do business with good companies with good products, not bad companies with good products.
Based on some offline comments I've decided to clarify my remarks. I don't think Postini is necessarily slimy and I shouldn't have mentioned them in the same sentence as Verisign and SCO, who are verifiably slimy. I should have phrased my remarks differently because I don't _know_ that Postini is slimy yet. Postini's patent issue (do a Google search to get more info) is suspicious, and _possibly_ indicative of a slimy tactic. However, there may be some completely valid reasons for their actions and I suppose we shouldn't judge them too harshly yet. Regardless of their reasons, it gives the appearance that they're not satisfied with simple competition and may try to negatively affect the competition through legal means. If they do that, then they're slimy. Until then, I suppose we (I) shouldn't make hasty judgments. John --
JN> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:56:11 -0600 JN> From: John Neiberger JN> Postini's patent issue (do a Google search to get more info) JN> is suspicious, and _possibly_ indicative of a slimy tactic. It does look pretty ridiculous. ETRN, formail, procmail, Web- based UIs, etc. have been around far longer than Postini. Heck, I was doing selective partial delivery in 1997 -- if a message was addressed to an important email address, "head -n" and pipe the output to a printer for paper-using staff to have. Eddy -- EverQuick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: davidc@brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq@intc.net -*- sam@everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 08:02:34PM +0000, Edward B. Dreger wrote:
JN> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:56:11 -0600 JN> From: John Neiberger
JN> Postini's patent issue (do a Google search to get more info) JN> is suspicious, and _possibly_ indicative of a slimy tactic.
It does look pretty ridiculous. ETRN, formail, procmail, Web- based UIs, etc. have been around far longer than Postini.
Yep, and NAT, PAT and stateful inspection exist outside of Cisco. This "need" by already dominant players to patent everything related to their business is unpleasant enough, but it's also common enough to make singling anyone out as slimy to be a bit disingenuous. I'd hazard to guess that a large number of folks on this list work for employers with similarly "ridiculous" patents. -- Ray Wong rayw@rayw.net
participants (3)
-
Edward B. Dreger
-
John Neiberger
-
Ray Wong