RE: Best Practices for Enterprise networks
Tracy Smith wrote: Specifically, to NAT or not to NAT?
This is not much of an issue anymore. If you receive IP addresses from your ISP, not natting would be foolish. Even if you do own your own public IP space, the NAT issues are fundamentally no different than the firewall ones and since not having a firewall is not an option, most enterprises will indeed NAT some of their subnets in their firewalls, whether or not they have or could easily obtain public space.
At what point should NAT-ting be performed ... exclusively at the Egress point
If there is only one egress point, indeed (typically at the firewall that's between the outside router and the inside router). If there are multiple egress points it's more interesting. There are multiple designs.
about firewalling - centralized/decentralized?
Greatly varies depending the design and requirements of a given enterprise.
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: Fortunately, I've never been in the position to make such decisions,
That's when you understand the real meaning of FUD: when you @55 and/or your job are on the line ;-)
but I can tell you one thing: if you have multiple connections to the internet, you had better make sure that your NATs and firewalls are equipped to handle the case where you send a packet out through connection A and the reply comes back through connection B.
Indeed.
Paul Ferguson wrote: Asymmetric paths are a fact of life in the Internet.
Not for enterprise operators except the largest ones. Asymmetric traffic does happen in the core, where there are no firewalls or NATs; as far as the edge is concerned though I know several companies that multihome to two or more ISPs but only in one location, largely because they don't want to deal with NAT/firewall issues. Although it can work, it requires extra engineering and most of the time a fat pipe to replicate state information between the sites. Michel.
--On söndag 29 augusti 2004 17.42 -0700 Michel Py <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
Tracy Smith wrote: Specifically, to NAT or not to NAT?
This is not much of an issue anymore. If you receive IP addresses from your ISP, not natting would be foolish.
No. Renumbering is easy and fun, not to mention a great source of revenue for IT consultants.
Even if you do own your own public IP space, the NAT issues are fundamentally no different than the firewall ones
Yes, they are. NAT and firewalling are orthogonal. They just are bundled in a lot of bad products.
and since not having a firewall is not an option,
Yes, it is. Firewalls in the corporate environments have lead to the pathetic state of notpatchedness that allows simple email virii to take down entire enterprises simply because "inside the firewall everyone are nice". Such solutions make much more damage than good.
most enterprises will indeed NAT some of their subnets in their firewalls, whether or not they have or could easily obtain public space.
Finally, you are correct, although not because you describe some clever plan for enterprise network management, but instead you describe the pathetic state of notworking that permeates (with the aid of overpaid undercompetent firewall conslutants (I used to be one.)) through the corporate world.
Paul Ferguson wrote: Asymmetric paths are a fact of life in the Internet.
Not for enterprise operators except the largest ones.
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