You need to study some more (European) Internet history. Among other things, you seem to overlook that the EUnet you know today, as well as our infrastructure (in many ways similar to Ebone's), was a result of political manouvering leading to us being kicked out of Ebone at the time (6-7 years ago). Then the really interesting hard work started, building from the ground while Ebone had its US half circuits paid by the NSF, and Rick Adams lent us a big helping hand during those years. (There is still much confusion caused by the similar names of the two companies, but that's a different story.)
Per - I don't know where you got that story but its not at all true that Eunet got kicked out of EBONE. My recollection (and I was present at the meeting) is that Glenn Kowack withdrew from EBONE at the same time as Dante and Pipex. EBONE would have been very glad at the time to have retained EUnet as a member of the consortium. It's also not true that NSF paid for EBONE 1/2 circuits - there was a small NSF contribution (very small part of the total monthly bill) for the port charge on the ICM routers and that was it, EBONE paid for the rest of the full circuits and in fact this is still the case today.
As you are probably aware, we have been on very friendly terms with Ebone for several years now.
True - and lets keep it that way please. Cheers, Dave
-- ------ ___ --- Per G. Bilse, Director Network Eng & Ops ----- / / / __ ___ _/_ ---- EUnet Communications Services B.V. ---- /--- / / / / /__/ / ----- Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL --- /___ /__/ / / /__ / ------ tel: +31 20 5305333, fax: +31 20 6224657 --- ------- 24hr emergency number: +31 20 421 0865 --- Connecting Europe since AS286 --- http://www.EU.net e-mail: bilse at domain
Dave I wanted to comment on this thread before, but thought better of it :-/. The problem is that there were various different levels of cooperation between eBone and EUnet over the years, with various small or not so small "differences" inbetween, which in the end lead to the total split of both organisations. Depending about which events are being discussed, the perspective may change (from "kicked out" to "left"). I for one, clearly always supported our own independent strategy and future, and clearly this was correct :-). Simon PS: In any case Pipex was still an eBone customer long after we had left.
Per - I don't know where you got that story but its not at all true that Eunet got kicked out of EBONE. My recollection (and I was present at the meeting) is that Glenn Kowack withdrew from EBONE at the same time as Dante and Pipex. EBONE would have been very glad at the time to have retained EUnet as a member of the consortium. It's also not true that NSF paid for EBONE 1/2 circuits - there was a small NSF contribution (very small part of the total monthly bill) for the port charge on the ICM routers and that was it, EBONE paid for the rest of the full circuits and in fact this is still the case today.
As you are probably aware, we have been on very friendly terms with Ebone for several years now.
True - and lets keep it that way please. Cheers, Dave
-- ------ ___ --- Per G. Bilse, Director Network Eng & Ops ----- / / / __ ___ _/_ ---- EUnet Communications Services B.V. ---- /--- / / / / /__/ / ----- Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL --- /___ /__/ / / /__ / ------ tel: +31 20 5305333, fax: +31 20 6224657 --- ------- 24hr emergency number: +31 20 421 0865 --- Connecting Europe since AS286 --- http://www.EU.net e-mail: bilse at domain
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