Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:33 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
decides current policy. when current policy directly contridicts the policies under which old address space was allocated, which policy trumps?
Bill - RFC 2050 is the document which provides the registry system framework. Jon Postel is an author of same, as well as a founder of ARIN. We've adhered to these principles from RFC 2050 in address management without exception, and even in policy development today. When you speak of the policies of old allocations, please be specific. If they predated Jon, that would indeed be quite interesting. /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 09:12:53PM +0000, John Curran wrote:
On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:33 PM, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
decides current policy. when current policy directly contridicts the policies under which old address space was allocated, which policy trumps?
Bill -
RFC 2050 is the document which provides the registry system framework. Jon Postel is an author of same, as well as a founder of ARIN.
yup.. i was there when it was written. what is not clear in that RFC is the status and effect of RFC 2050 (and subsiquent policy built on that foundation) on allocations made -prior- to RFC 2050. telling text is here: "This document describes the IP assignment policies currently used by the Regional Registries to implement the guidelines developed by the IANA...." It does not talk to address space allocated to entities from the IANA or other registries prior to the RIRs existance. oddly enough, the year prior to RFC 2050 being published, jon asked me to run a specialized address registry for things like exchange points. that service matched the subject of this thread... we didn't own any infrastrucuture, but we provided (and successors still provide) neutral address management services to those who wish it. it took the RIR system a few years to catch up and provide a similar service.
We've adhered to these principles from RFC 2050 in address management without exception, and even in policy development today.
a firm foundation on which to build.
When you speak of the policies of old allocations, please be specific. If they predated Jon, that would indeed be quite interesting.
well - jon did point out the butcher-paper agreement, signed by all the grad students, agreeing that jon was the address maven... so anything pre-dating jon would be a trick. (the actual document is in the postel archives ... if you are interested...) i beleive i have produced for ARIN a letter from SRI to me - indicating that certain address blocks were given to me to use. No reference to an entity other than me, no claim for compliance with "justified need" or "acceptable-use", no indication that any subsiquant policy would be binding in the future. Pretty much, "we are sorry that you were forced to renumber 'cause we messed up w/ the -connected/unconneted- databases - please take these blocks as a token of our consideration..." Doesn't sound like RFC 2050 fodder to me. This type of letter flies in the face of current policy; allocations to legal entities that are not natural persons, justified need, requirements to periodically check in and re-affirm usage & compliance.... I just think that there are going to be turbulent waters when the ARIN community pushes to hard to force these folk into their (narrow) framework of acceptable use. I wish it was not so - but I am persuaded that it will be inevitable - given the current course of events.
/John
John Curran President and CEO ARIN
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