Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 03:03:37AM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote:
Several previous security vulnerabilities in BIND is one strike against.
You know perfectly well that BIND9 isn't the same code as BIND4 or BIND8; it's a complete rewrite. It has as much in common with BIND8 as djbdns does. You might just as reasonably claim that security vulnerabilities in BIND4 constituted "previous security vulnerabilities in djbdns".
It has in common some of the same people who worked on BIND4 and BIND8. Possibly some of the problems of BIND4/8 were systemic. Djbdns, by contrast, has no previous security vulnerabities. This is hardly news, and most consider it to be a valid point.
These might be fixed. There might still be others.
And your usual mud-slinging against anyone even vaguely associated with anyone who vehemently opposes spam begins! By the way, I heard that you might have stopped beating your wife, but you might still be abusing small barnyard animals.
This is rather odd, if you agree that SORBS is a bunch of nutjobs, where's the mudslinging?
Violation of trust on other projects is another. e.g. Exactis V. MAPS, Several MAPS employees working for well-known spammer Scott Richter described in Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams.
Yawn. I've snipped a bunch more of your ranting. It hangs together about as well as djb's "BIND Company" black-helicopters theory.
Most people (even the vehement anti-spammers) agree that MAPS had no business blocking Exactis, and that Exactis didn't meet the MAPS criteria. MAPS told its subscribers it would only do certain things. Then it didn't do that. That's a trust violation. Seems pretty straightforward. Where's the irrational ranting in that? Whats even more stunning is that MAPS employees went to work for a well known spammer. What would we think if Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, and Rice left and went to work for Bin Laden? What would we think of the judgement of the man who hired them? Someone really made an error in judgement in hiring at MAPS. Do we trust that person again? Or do we show them door, so to speak?
Look, everyone grasps that you got shafted by SORBS. This is not terribly surprising, because SORBS/ORBS are well known to be a bunch of nutjobs, and unpleasant nutjobs at that. But as you expand the radius of your attack to include anyone anywhere who ever had anything to do with spam prevention, all you're doing, from my point of view anyway, is demonstrating that you are quite an unpleasant nutjob yourself.
I'm just expanding the radius to include those that have something to do with SORBS/ORBS. ISC hosted SORBS after they were booted by XO. That's a trust violation as well. And I'll note that I left that off my post above, and included only non-SORBS trust violations. And there are a few of those. There are a lot of people who actually have genuine interest in spam and spam prevention. The efforts of those people are insulted by the activities and abuse of a few. Those few who (ab)use anti-spam as a cover for their personal gain and personal vendettas only discredit those who actually do work to stop abuse. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000
Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> wrote:
This is rather odd, if you agree that SORBS is a bunch of nutjobs, where's the mudslinging?
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Violation of trust on other projects is another. e.g. Exactis V. MAPS, Several MAPS employees working for well-known spammer Scott Richter described in Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams.
[ snip ] How did this turn into a discussion about spam and blacklists? I thought it was about djbdns. Oh, wait, I forgot who posted those comments. Sorry... -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free" --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Steve Sobol wrote:
Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> wrote:
This is rather odd, if you agree that SORBS is a bunch of nutjobs, where's the mudslinging?
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Violation of trust on other projects is another. e.g. Exactis V. MAPS, Several MAPS employees working for well-known spammer Scott Richter described in Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams.
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How did this turn into a discussion about spam and blacklists? I thought it was about djbdns.
Oh, wait, I forgot who posted those comments. Sorry...
Well, any evaluation of Vixie performance is bound to get around to spam sooner or later. But, I notice that you aren't saying MAPS did the right thing, or that the incident ought to make us want to trust MAPS... Just out taking shots, eh? Well, its a good day for it, I guess. BTW, Steve, have you learned how to read mail headers yet? Do you still need me to tell you how to block a mail server? I have a nice little train of emails where Sobol can't figure out how to read SMTP headers to block our servers, and winds up insisting "I can read headers! I can read headers!"--it'll go up on www.iadl.org this week sometime. This is going up too: "Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth." "Or by misleading the innocent." Spock and McCoy, "And The Children Shall Lead", stardate 5029.5. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000
Dean Anderson wrote:
BTW, Steve, have you learned how to read mail headers yet?
Long ago. I blocked one address, you sent from another, I blocked that one too. The first one was, IIRC, the primary MX for your domain. I don't think the second one was set up in DNS at all. I didn't read any mail headers. It's not really any big deal. I'm not posting anything further to this thread. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free" --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
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