Why do ISPs want to provide free consulting advice to debug why a government map turned red today? If it is like Zonealarm or Netmedic, most of the "alarms" are due to problems with the customer's application. If the government map is designed properly then it won't turn red unless 75% of the ISP maps have turned red. In other words, a proper national or international alarming system will average out the data from several ISPs according to some kind of weighting formula so that one or two red ISPs will only contribute to a light yellow indicator on a national scale. Although an aggregated flow of information from outage reports would be useful to a national Internet status monitoring group, it would be far more useful for every ISP to report a regular red-amber-or-green status. This is qualitative information that the national group could consolidate using a weighting system that rated each ISP according to how important their network is within the big picture. Yes, it is likely that there would be errors in the weighting system but as some experience is gained with the system, that weighting can be tuned. As far as NANOG is concerned, we could help by setting up systems to report overall health according to a consistent red-amber-or-green system and we could help by ensuring that we do have an outage list (or high level stream of trouble tickets) that could be offered to a national status monitoring group. We could also help by suggesting the weighting that should be applied to various ISP networks in calculating a national traffic light report on Internet health. I anyone is interested in discussing this further perhaps we could get together in Eugene to discuss it. -- Michael Dillon
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 Michael.Dillon@radianz.com wrote:
If the government map is designed properly then it won't turn red unless 75% of the ISP maps have turned red.
If 75% of the ISPs have turned red, do you really need a multi-million dollar government monitoring system to tell you that? Just watch on BBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS because its probably one of the top stories. Of course the (US, Chinese, German, etc) government wants to collect all information about everything, but how does does it actually help ISPs more than the monitoring and response systems ISPs already use? In reality most major ISPs today not only monitor their own network, but also monitor beacons in, on and through other providers' networks. The issue is not detecting when there is a "big" problem on the network. I've been able to figure out when there are problems on the network with a very small budget for years. The unsolved problem is communicating why there is a problem on the network. My concern with the NCS proposal is the NCS/NCC wants to detect unusual activity on the Internet. So ISPs are going to end up being tasked to respond to the NCS everytime someone in Washington thinks they saw a puddycat on the Internet. And as CAIDA will tell you, there is a lot of strange stuff on the Internet on a "normal" day.
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Michael.Dillon@radianz.com
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