Who do you go to, when you've spent a year detailing everything ARIN wants when you ask for address space, then they decide to flush an installed and operating $2B business plan "just because".
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Geoff Mohler wrote:
Who do you go to, when you've spent a year detailing everything ARIN wants when you ask for address space, then they decide to flush an installed and operating $2B business plan "just because".
You hire a consultant who is intelligent enough to know how to negotiate without hanging out your dirty linen on a public mailing list. Anyone who has 2 billion dollars and cannot justify portable address space has a screw loose somewhere. Last time I was involved in a startup that applied for address space we managed to justify it at around the same time our spending had reached 1 million dollars. -- Michael Dillon - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
Okay, now I'm confused. Yesterday, we arranged a telephone call to discuss your request when I get back in my office (I'm currently in San Jose) and then you ask the NANOG list who to talk to. Do you still want to discuss your request with me or have you found someone else to talk to? I hope you'll call me because I'd be *very* interested in seeing your request where one of the ARIN staff rejected it by saying "just because". Kim Hubbard ARIN
Who do you go to, when you've spent a year detailing everything ARIN wants when you ask for address space, then they decide to flush an installed and operating $2B business plan "just because".
Kim, On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 01:04:49PM -0400, Kim Hubbard wrote:
Okay, now I'm confused. Yesterday, we arranged a telephone call to discuss your request when I get back in my office (I'm currently in San Jose) and then you ask the NANOG list who to talk to. Do you still want to discuss your request with me or have you found someone else to talk to?
I hope you'll call me because I'd be *very* interested in seeing your request where one of the ARIN staff rejected it by saying "just because".
Not sure what you hope to accomplish by discussing applicant-specific (and possibly, confidential) issues in a public forum such as this, but it seems a bit infantile to me. Please, take this outside... Confused, -asr
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Geoff Mohler wrote:
Who do you go to, when you've spent a year detailing everything ARIN wants when you ask for address space, then they decide to flush an installed and operating $2B business plan "just because".
It's not about your budget, or your plans. It's all about "What have you done, and how fast have you used the /19 your provider gave you." This is one of the few places in the world where millionares and bag ladies get treated equally (poorly). Greg U
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 12:18:16AM -0400, Gregory Urban wrote:
It's not about your budget, or your plans. It's all about "What have you done, and how fast have you used the /19 your provider gave you."
This is one of the few places in the world where millionares and bag ladies get treated equally (poorly).
And when both millionaires and bag ladies cry "foul" I am happy that ARIN are most likely doing the right job. They will never do right in the eyes of their "customers" regardless of how hard or not they work. Regards, -- Peter Galbavy Knowledge Matters Ltd http://www.knowledge.com/
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Peter Galbavy wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 12:18:16AM -0400, Gregory Urban wrote:
It's not about your budget, or your plans. It's all about "What have you done, and how fast have you used the /19 your provider gave you."
This is one of the few places in the world where millionares and bag ladies get treated equally (poorly).
And when both millionaires and bag ladies cry "foul" I am happy that ARIN are most likely doing the right job. They will never do right in the eyes of their "customers" regardless of how hard or not they work.
Well I have to say that we applied for space from Arin in November and the entire process took less than a month and was very simple. We got our info together, sent it in, they replied with a need for more specific details on certain things, we gave it to them and sent them a check and voila! We have our IP space... Tim ============================================================= | Timothy M. Wolfe | Wireless Internet = Get Some | | Chief Network Engineer | 1.800.338.2629 tim@clipper.net | | ClipperNet Corporation | http://www.clipper.net/services/ | =============================================================
On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 12:18:16AM -0400, Gregory Urban wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Geoff Mohler wrote:
Who do you go to, when you've spent a year detailing everything ARIN wants when you ask for address space, then they decide to flush an installed and operating $2B business plan "just because".
It's not about your budget, or your plans. It's all about "What have you done, and how fast have you used the /19 your provider gave you."
This is one of the few places in the world where millionares and bag ladies get treated equally (poorly).
ARIN bases their policy upon input from their membership, or so I am led to believe by their staff. They didn't just arbitrarily pick /19 (/20 currently) as being cutoff. In addition, they have no say in what makes space routable. That is set semi-arbitrarily by your (or someone else's) NSP. As noted in an earlier post, there will be a public policy meeting for ARIN in October. If you don't like current policy come express your views. Austin
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