Good morning, Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? We have more than 20.000 users. In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences? Regards digitel Via della Fortezza 6 - 50129 Firenze www.digitelitalia.com<http://www.digitelitalia.com/> - 800 901 669 Ing. Lorenzo Mainardi Tel +39 055 4624933 Fax +39 055 4624 947 lom@digitelitalia.com<mailto:lom@digitelitalia.com>
On 29/Nov/16 20:33, Lorenzo Mainardi wrote:
Good morning, Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? We have more than 20.000 users.
In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences?
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson. Mark.
On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> said:
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k. Regards, Tim.
On 2 December 2016 at 10:37, tim@pelican.org <tim@pelican.org> wrote:
On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> said:
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k.
I've heard Redback aren't so good anymore. We are very happy with Cisco (ASR1000s) and Juniper (MX480s) for this function. Cheers, James.
Our current deployment uses several Alcatel SR 7750 boxes - we pair these with MX960 and MX2020 for CGNAT for several hundred thousand customers. Alcatel and Juniper have been a rock solid combination so far. Regards Dragan On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 December 2016 at 10:37, tim@pelican.org <tim@pelican.org> wrote:
On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> said:
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k.
I've heard Redback aren't so good anymore. We are very happy with Cisco (ASR1000s) and Juniper (MX480s) for this function.
Cheers, James.
On 2/Dec/16 12:37, tim@pelican.org wrote:
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k.
Agreed. Mark.
2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past. Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a big $$ solution. We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already using 7200 at the time. No complaints. Patrick Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -0000, tim@pelican.org wrote:
On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> said:
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k.
Regards, Tim.
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I was told by some high up people in Ericsson several years ago that their target for the Redback range is the top dozen telco's and they are not really interested in smaller customers. It's a shame, because the Redback in many ways is still superior to other offerings IMHO. To the OP's question - 1. The Nokia 7750 is a good option, but you would likely need the larger 7750-SR or 7750-e over the 7750-a series as the "a" does not have the MS-ISA card option that allows access to several key BNG functions. Likely outside of budget once spares etc are taken into account 2. Cisco ASR1K, likely this will do what you need, the advantage if the 1K range is it's just a big CPU based box, so you don't need add on cards to do anything fancy. There is also affordable support and an active grey market option available (2x asr1006-esp40). 3. A virtual offering from Juniper (VMX) or Cisco might work for you. Nokia's offering is a bit too new. I would choose option 2 with option 3 as a backup if you want to get things going quickly. Unless money is not an option then option 1 (2x 7750-sr7 or 7750-e2). -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cole Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 1:20 AM To: tim@pelican.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion 2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past. Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a big $$ solution. We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already using 7200 at the time. No complaints. Patrick Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -0000, tim@pelican.org wrote:
The Nokia is the rebranded Alcatel 7750. The syntax is funky, but it's a great bras. ________________________________ From: NANOG on behalf of Tony Wicks Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:17:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion I was told by some high up people in Ericsson several years ago that their target for the Redback range is the top dozen telco's and they are not really interested in smaller customers. It's a shame, because the Redback in many ways is still superior to other offerings IMHO. To the OP's question - 1. The Nokia 7750 is a good option, but you would likely need the larger 7750-SR or 7750-e over the 7750-a series as the "a" does not have the MS-ISA card option that allows access to several key BNG functions. Likely outside of budget once spares etc are taken into account 2. Cisco ASR1K, likely this will do what you need, the advantage if the 1K range is it's just a big CPU based box, so you don't need add on cards to do anything fancy. There is also affordable support and an active grey market option available (2x asr1006-esp40). 3. A virtual offering from Juniper (VMX) or Cisco might work for you. Nokia's offering is a bit too new. I would choose option 2 with option 3 as a backup if you want to get things going quickly. Unless money is not an option then option 1 (2x 7750-sr7 or 7750-e2). -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cole Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 1:20 AM To: tim@pelican.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion 2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past. Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a big $$ solution. We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already using 7200 at the time. No complaints. Patrick Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -0000, tim@pelican.org wrote:
Yes, it seems that our use case it's not the right one for Ericsson. ________________________________ Da: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> per conto di tim@pelican.org <tim@pelican.org> Inviato: venerdì 2 dicembre 2016 11.37.29 A: nanog@nanog.org Oggetto: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> said:
Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale. Think 20M subs, not 20k. Regards, Tim.
Ericsson SSR 8010 is good platform. We have been using it since last 3 years with no major issues. Havn't tested IPv6 though. Krunal Shah Network Analyst, IP & Transport Network Engineering kshah@primustel.ca -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Mainardi Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:34 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: BRAS/BNG Suggestion Good morning, Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? We have more than 20.000 users. In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences? Regards digitel Via della Fortezza 6 - 50129 Firenze www.digitelitalia.com<http://www.digitelitalia.com/> - 800 901 669 Ing. Lorenzo Mainardi Tel +39 055 4624933 Fax +39 055 4624 947 lom@digitelitalia.com<mailto:lom@digitelitalia.com> -------------------------------- This electronic message contains information from Primus Management ULC ("PRIMUS") , which may be legally privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us by telephone or e-mail (to the number or address above) immediately. Any views, opinions or advice expressed in this electronic message are not necessarily the views, opinions or advice of PRIMUS. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that any attachments are virus free and PRIMUS bears no responsibility for any loss or damage arising in any way from the use thereof.The term "PRIMUS" includes its affiliates. -------------------------------- Pour la version en français de ce message, veuillez voir http://www.primustel.ca/fr/legal/cs.htm
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