Yes, I do, as stated in my initial email. My inquiry is about whether this level of downtime, and lack of redundancy for a given region, is normal for 3356. There are some markets where diverse paths are not so easy to acquire. ________________________________ From: Robert DeVita <radevita@mejeticks.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:36:23 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general) If this is a know issue and has happened before and point to point circuits aren’t effected you always have the opportunity to diversify your own network and get private lines back to Miami, Jax, Atlanta or Dallas to create your own diversity don’t you? Robert DeVita Managing Director Mejeticks c. 469-441-8864 e. radevita@mejeticks.com _____________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:03 PM Subject: Curiosity about AS3356 L3/CenturyLink network resiliency (in general) To: <nanog@nanog.org> I’m curious if anyone who’s used 3356 for transit has found shortcomings in how their peering and redundancy is configured, or what a normal expectation to have is. The Tampa Bay market has been completely down for 3356 IP services twice so far this year, each for what I’d consider an unacceptable period of time (many hours). I’m learning that the entire market is served by just two fiber routes, through cities hundreds of miles away in either direction. So, basically two fiber cuts, potentially 1000+ miles apart, takes the entire region down. The most recent occurrence was a week or so ago when a Miami-area cut and an Orange, Texas cut (1287 driving miles apart) took IP services down for hours. It did not take point to point circuits to out of market locations down, so that suggests they even have the ability to be more redundant and simply choose not to. I feel like it’s not unreasonable to expect more redundancy, or a much smaller attack surface given a disgruntled lineman who knows the routes could take an entire region down with a planned cut four states apart. Maybe other regions are better designed? Or are my expectations unreasonable? I carry three peers in that market, so it hasn’t been outage-causing, but I use 3356 in other markets too, and have plans for more, but it makes me wonder if I just haven't had the pleasure of similar outages elsewhere yet and I should factor that expectation into the design. It creates a problem for me in one location where I can only get them and Cogent, since Cogent can't be relied on for IPv6 service, which I need. Thanks