: : I put the blame not on the AV vendors but strictly on MS for building a : sieve. : : -Hank : I blame the miscreants who are malicious enough to want to cause as much damage as they can. MS software has tried for too long to be everything for everyone. For instance the SP2 for XP now being released even breaks some of the expensive MS applications, because they are learning to start turning stuff off, by default, and removing much of the backwards compatibility that leaves them so wide open for assault. It is a rare Linux box that has as much stuff installed and running at the same time as the average Windows box does. I have learned to ghost an image of the installed box, and burn it to DVD which makes it a no-brainer to rebuild a box that has gone south due to mis-use by the uninitiated.