On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:56PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 4/26/20 5:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote:
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 07:59:24AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
$SHINYNEWSITE has only to entice you to enter your reused password which comes out in the clear on the other side of that TLS connection.?? basically password phishing. you can whine all you like about how stupid they are, but you know what... that is what they average person does. that is reality. js exploits do not hold a candle to that problem. Two equally large problems -- neither of which have anything to do with encryption in transport -- are backend security and password strength. In the former case, we've seen an ongoing parade of security breaches and subsequent dataloss incidents. That parade is still going on. In the latter case, despite years of screaming from the rooftops, despite myriad enforcement attempts in code, despite another parade of incidents, despite everything, we still have people using "password" as a password.
As a side note, I've found it nearly impossible to get users to understand that there is a qualitative and quantitative difference between "password used for brokerage account" and "password used for little league baseball mailing list".
The minor problem of passwords-over-the-wire pales into insignificance compared to these (and others -- but that's a long list). Um, those are exactly the consequences of passwords over the wire. If you didn't send "password" over the wire, nobody could guess that's your
On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: password on your banking site. I guess that's why best practices for authentication encourage the adoption of HTTP Digest authentication. No password over the wire == no problems!
Which exactly zero deployment. And you need to store the plain-text password on the server side. What could possibly go wrong?
But you said that *passwords on the wire* were the biggest problem. Digest auth solves that. Also, you don't have to store the plain-text password. - Matt